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17 September 2008 @ 07:22 pm
So new theory on that Moffat-created character  
CRACK THEORY: Non Doctor/Rose shippers may (will) roll their eyes in disgust. Fair warning. < -- Please note and respond (or don't) accordingly.)

Okay, new theory on River Song -- that I totally believe that Rusty in his crack-tastic ways has either thought of in passing or was part of the why of the finale.

So, first of all, if she *is* his wife, it's not a romantic one, it's a necessary one for some crack-brained reason I have no desire to go into, but they are good friends, she's a semi-companion to him. And the reason that the Doctor goes through with his relationship with her despite knowing how it ends and all of the pain that will follow and thus somewhat plays her along is because he has to. He does what he does ... to save Donna. Because aside from loving Donna for her wonderful, amazing self, he knows that without Donna, he doesn't get to give Rose and a version of him a happy ending. Therefore, if he does marry River Song, he's playing her to a degree because he has to so he can have his happy ending with ... ROSE!!!!!!!!!!!! So, really? All about Rose.

And ... THAT at least makes sense with canon and consistent characterization, which is more than Moffat's work did and you know it's just the kind of crack that Rusty would adore. In fact, I bet Rusty set up the whole Donna being necessary to give the Doctor and Rose a happy ending because he saw River Song the same way. Yup, this is my new theory and I'm sticking with it.
 
 
 
Flying Mint Bunny: normal 16haro on September 17th, 2008 11:32 pm (UTC)
Rose and Donna aside, everything that the Doctor does with River can be attributed to needing to preserve the timeline. He tells her his name? He has to. He goes on OOC picnics and all the like, he has to. He knows that because he met her before he met her and she knew/did this stuff.

It's ironic to me that Moffat was obviously trying to make her a speshul snowflake, but in his obsession with timey-wimey stuff, completely invalidates any value the relationship may have had (to which I say LOL because way to backfire on yourself and River is the exact opposite in almost every way as to what would be good for the Doctor in a companion). The Doctor has no choice but to do these things with River, because if he doesn't he creates a paradox.
Arabian: Rose_smilearabian on September 17th, 2008 11:52 pm (UTC)
Seriously. EXACTLY! There can be NOTHING real with this woman because he is going to do what he HAS to do in order to preserve the timeline. Period.

Oh, Moffat, drop The Time Traveler's Wife obsession. It's just sad now.
Opal: JE: kiss long shotshinyopals on September 18th, 2008 01:42 pm (UTC)
Definitely agreeing with this - that's what made me slightly more OK with SitL/FotD straight after they aired. Their relationship actually became oddly interesting to me, in a really screwed up kind of way, because neither is *properly* consenting - River doesn't know what's going on and the Doctor's doing it to preserve the timeline. I still don't *like* it, or think it's particularly well written, but I can't buy it as a mutual and non-screwed-up relationship!
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Kissarabian on September 18th, 2008 01:59 pm (UTC)
that's what made me slightly more OK with SitL/FotD straight after they aired.

It took reading the_spin's thoughts on the ep to make me see that because I was so irritated (and annoyed because I, at least, expect his non-shipper tendencies to be balanced out by a fabulous show).

Still, I'll never find it interesting, partially because it's just plain stupid overall -- The Time Traveler's Wife and Doctor Who have DIFFERENT brands of time travel/science fiction, Moffat!! and do not merge well!!! -- and as much as I like Alex Kingston, the character was annoying and her strengths as an actress, unfortunately, doubled the annoying aspects of that character. So bad meshing of character/actress, and then to top it off, she and Tennant were just horrible together. No chemistry, no connection, no believability, nothing. I don't know how or why, but she looked like an older (annoying) sister to him. It just did not work.

Okay, backing away. I am backing away. Petting my crack theory and backing away.

Edited at 2008-09-18 02:01 pm (UTC)
Opal: AoG and JE: shinyopals on September 18th, 2008 02:05 pm (UTC)
By "interesting" I do mean that I have no desire at all to see where canon goes with it because Moffat will make it suck and turn it into some lovey-dovey rubbish that doesn't make sense. I'm only interested while it's deliberately fucked up! And I can't help but wonder how much of the I'm-so-very-freaked-out-now chemistry, especially from DT, was deliberate. The actor might not be able to change the scripts, but the right emphasis on words and the right facial expression makes *all* the difference.

I must admit, the idea of destiny without choice in time travel stuff irritates me. I must prefer when the time travel sets out the option to choose!
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Impossible Planetarabian on September 18th, 2008 02:09 pm (UTC)
Right, yet another reason I do NOT want Ten under Moffat's reign. Sigh.

Oh, I totally think that David played it that way deliberately; he's made it clear enough how much he loves Rose, and the Rose/Doctor relationship. I don't think he was quite happy with the fact that Moffat was basically shitting all over it AGAIN. So, go David!!!

I must admit, the idea of destiny without choice in time travel stuff irritates me. I must prefer when the time travel sets out the option to choose!

I know!! Talk about taking the fundamentals out of Who. Hmm, I almost wonder if that why Rusty went more in that direction (which he never had before) in JE (although, the characters individually DID make choices, it was just directed by Caan's destiny?) is because that's the direction that Moffat is taking it all. Sigh.

Head. Hurts.

PS: Love your icon!
Opal: TUatW: girl cootiesshinyopals on September 18th, 2008 02:16 pm (UTC)
Yeah, DT is very definitely a D/R shipper.

And I don't mind the slight destiny type elements to it. I think Donna being "meant" to travel with him or whatever was very definitely pushing it, but I never felt what happens undermined the choices of the characters. Well, the Doctor undermined the choices of the characters, but that's in character for him - there was no big universal force saying this must happen now.

Whereas Blink, Time Crack and SitL/FotD have so many actions dictated for the characters - the Doctor's reduced to reading off a script (I have ranted about this before... XD). Heck, even GitF: as much as I hate Reinette and the way their relationship was written, the Doctor had his choice taken away from him: he couldn't use the TARDIS to go fetch her for some handwaved reason and even if it had worked out, he wouldn't have been able to have her travel with him if he wanted because of who she is. Moffat seems to enjoy making his characters puppets, whereas I don't get the impression with RTD that he does.

And all of my icons are snaggable - I'll have credited whoever made it (not me!) on my userpic page!
Arabian: David Tennant_01arabian on September 21st, 2008 04:11 pm (UTC)
Yeah, DT is very definitely a D/R shipper.

Which is very nice, especially since Billie and Rusty are as well. Ugh, in my last fandom, of the two actors and writer/exec producer, only one of the three even *liked* the couple let alone shipped them and he by far had the least power of the lot. Sigh.

And I don't mind the slight destiny type elements to it. I think Donna being "meant" to travel with him or whatever was very definitely pushing it, but I never felt what happens undermined the choices of the characters. Well, the Doctor undermined the choices of the characters, but that's in character for him - there was no big universal force saying this must happen now.

Oh, I like that. I never really thought that it was taken away from them either, but I've only watched it in its entirety once so far and others who'd watched it a few times had mentioned that so I thought maybe I'd just missed it and wasn't thinking deep enough.

Whereas Blink, Time Crack and SitL/FotD have so many actions dictated for the characters - the Doctor's reduced to reading off a script (I have ranted about this before... XD). Heck, even GitF: as much as I hate Reinette and the way their relationship was written, the Doctor had his choice taken away from him: he couldn't use the TARDIS to go fetch her for some handwaved reason and even if it had worked out, he wouldn't have been able to have her travel with him if he wanted because of who she is. Moffat seems to enjoy making his characters puppets, whereas I don't get the impression with RTD that he does.

Oh, this is SO right and adds yet ANOTHER reason as to why I'm not fond of Moffat-episodes once you REALLY delve into them. On the surface (and stand-alone from the rest of the show), they ARE great, but in character? Nope. Consistent with the rest of Rusty's vision/series? Nope. Grounded in the tenets of Who philosophy? Nope. Oy, I worry so for series five. (Please don't resign, David, please, please, pretty, pretty please!!! I'm even using your own sexy, puppy-dog eyes on you!!!)

And all of my icons are snaggable - I'll have credited whoever made it (not me!) on my userpic page!

Oh, thanks for the offer, but I have a weird thing about wanting to only use icons I've created myself. :)

Edited at 2008-09-21 04:12 pm (UTC)
trustme1013: Not this again!trustme1013 on September 18th, 2008 02:14 am (UTC)
You're a genius, and this is how I will choose to think of the Creek Tune incident from here on out.

*loves*
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - One Heartarabian on September 18th, 2008 11:21 am (UTC)
Why thank you, and it TOTALLY makes sense!!! And another and ... Hah! "Creek Tune" -- I loves it!!! Speaking of loves ... while I do actually love how Rusty gave Rose and the Doctor a happy ending, I still crack up every time I see your icon.
sunnytyler001: Doc et Rosesunnytyler001 on September 18th, 2008 03:40 pm (UTC)
I love you.
I felt a bit bad today and you made me smile. Thanks a lot.
Arabian: Rose_smilearabian on September 19th, 2008 04:02 am (UTC)
Aww, good, I'm glad. That happened to me the other day, I was feeling crappy and someone's silly response to something I said made me smile. Those unexpected moments are awesome. I'm glad I gave you an unexpected smile. I hope tomorrow is better. {{hugs}}

Here, have a happy Rose!