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13 September 2008 @ 05:45 pm
Torchwood, Episodes 02 through 05 .. LOVING IT!!!!!!!!  
Seriously. Totally and completely loving this. I love every character. I think they all have chemistry and work well together. I. am. loving. it. all!

Especially Gwen. I love her so much. SO. MUCH.

My favorite episode so far is the one I just watched, "Small World." Seriously, I was near tears at the end there. It was just sad and beautiful and poignant and I LOVED seeing Jack deal with the consequences and how his "companions" were unable to understand his choice. It was so awesome seeing a "human" point of view with what the Doctor does all the time. I know that people probably watch this without a Who background, but I really do think it's giving so much more depth to moments like Jack demanding of his crew what he should have done as they all walk past him, unable to look at him. Just so powerful.

I still don't think that Jack Barrowman is that great of an actor (I think he's actually outshined by everyone else in the cast at this point), but he's good and I'm totally loving Jack in Torchwood, in a way that I never came close to in his Who appearances.

Quick thoughts on the episodes ...

1.02 "Day One" - I love how Gwen made a mistake on the first day, it really helped in terms of showing her what she TRULY is dealing with. It's not police work, there is more to it, but on the other hand, I love how she brought the "human" side to it, since the Torchwood crew are so caught up in the alien stuff, they have lost track of life outside. Like I said to butterfly in my first post about TW, I see a lot of Rose in Gwen, and as someone who adores Rose, I certainly appreciate that. I love how RTD brings this caring, wonderfully compassion person into this alien fold to show them a perspective that more closely matches our own.

While looking for an Eve Myles/Gwen picture for my Gwen icon, I read an article that mentioned that Myles was originally supposed to do the companion after Rose (rubbish or not, I don't know). On one hand, I would have loved that because I would have loved the character interacting with the Doctor, and I think that she and Tennant would have had a lovely chemistry. On the other hand, I think that she would have been too Rose-like, there would have been Doctor/Gwen shipping left and right and my normal couple bias would have turned me off of her because I'm like that. So all in all, I do think it worked out best. :D

1.03 "Ghost Machine" - This one was spooky, and I like how it allowed us to get a better glimpse into Owen and who he is. Not much more to say other than I loved the whole atmosphere of it all. Another well-done episode.

1.04 "Cyberwoman" - Oh, Ianto. Stupid, foolish Ianto (who I totally thought was gay?!?! WTF!?!? Eh, I'll find out.) I felt so bad for him, while enjoying the hell out of all of the character interaction moments (especially Gwen and Owen in the storage unit, I totally watched that about four times!). And, I gotta say, if Jack was giving Ianto mouth-to-mouth that was a really bad form of it. REALLY BAD. It's a miracle, Ianto found his breath what with Jack sucking his face, as opposed to actually, you know, GIVING him breath as actual CPR requires.

And I already talked about "Small World" above. Lovely, beautiful episode. Wah!! I only have two more episodes on this discs and I won't get the next three until Wednesday!!! WAH!!!!!!!!

I am mostly unspoiled for this, so PLEASE DO NOT PUT SPOILERS IN THE COMMENTS!!! Thanks :)
 
 
 
Velvet Rain Drops: Jackadriana_is on September 13th, 2008 10:02 pm (UTC)
I thought you didn't like Gwen? Didn't I read that earlier? :) I like her interactions with Jack. So, I can easily ship Jack/Gwen/Ianto. In fact, I loved that scene in the beginning of The Stolen Earth. I also LOVE Gwen and Rhys. They're so cute together.

Now I have to go back and watch all the TW season one episodes. (Darn you, Jen!) ;)

Arabian: Gwen Somberarabian on September 13th, 2008 10:09 pm (UTC)
I LOVE Gwen!!! Go back and read my first post, it was much Gwen-gushing. I made a Gwen icon after just watching the first episode, LOL!

I can't wait to rewatch TSE/JE knowing these characters now. SQUEE!!!!

Now I have to go back and watch all the TW season one episodes. (Darn you, Jen!) ;)

Hey, based on the first five ... like that's a hardship!!
Velvet Rain Drops: Nine by the Tardis Dooradriana_is on September 13th, 2008 10:20 pm (UTC)
oooh the hardship!! (she wails dramatically)

Thanks to YOU, missy, I am rewatching season one of DW and now I have to dig up my TW episodes too. (your enthusiasm is infectious).

So...(she asks innocently) about that write up for Fathers Day...(leaves the room whistling).
Arabian: Dr Who (Nine)arabian on September 13th, 2008 10:52 pm (UTC)
Hey, any excuse to rewatch season one of Who is a blessing, I tell ya!!!

"Father's Day," right. The plan is tomorrow. I would have done it today, but we're celebrating my dad's birthday tonight and that does take priority.
Velvet Rain Drops: Ten Winkadriana_is on September 13th, 2008 10:59 pm (UTC)
Happy Birthday, Dad!

(just teasing you about the FD writeup. I am SUPPOSED to be working and I am here giving you a hard time, instead. :) )
Arabian: Dr Who (Ten)arabian on September 14th, 2008 01:12 am (UTC)
No problem, I need the push, LOL!

Dad said 'thanks' by the way. ;)
Opal: TW: Team Torchwoodshinyopals on September 13th, 2008 11:14 pm (UTC)
Heh, I am pleased that you are so enthusiastic about Gwen - she gets way too much hate in this fandom for fuck ups that are bad, but are pretty human.

Definitely agreeing on the Rose side of things - I think that similarities between the two were very deliberate: creating someone for the audience to see Torchwood through. And I also think that may have affected Jack's quick affection for her. I think these days he sees Gwen and not Rose, but I reckon in the early days he saw a lot of Rose shining through.

Agreeing that John Barrowman is definitely not the world's strongest actor. Him and Gareth David Lloyd (Ianto) are, IMO, the worst in the show. Eve Myles, Burn Gorman and Naoko Mori never put a note out of place, but when JB and GDL try to do serious acting, I just end up *laughing*. I love them when they're being silly and snarky, but not when they're crying.

I'm kind of amused that you're so enthusiastic for s1 - I liked it but I didn't *love* it, and that's a fairly common sentiment in the fandom, that I've seen. Compared to s2, the characterisation is *very* flat. But then, I still squeed like a bit of a maniac on watching it! XD
Arabian: Torchwoodarabian on September 14th, 2008 01:17 am (UTC)
Heh, I am pleased that you are so enthusiastic about Gwen - she gets way too much hate in this fandom for fuck ups that are bad, but are pretty human.

I know some of the stuff she does, but really I just can't see hating her. Once I LOVE a character, it takes a LOT to make me stop and as long as it's reasonably in character, I'll be on board. GWEN ROCKS!

Definitely agreeing on the Rose side of things - I think that similarities between the two were very deliberate: creating someone for the audience to see Torchwood through. And I also think that may have affected Jack's quick affection for her. I think these days he sees Gwen and not Rose, but I reckon in the early days he saw a lot of Rose shining through.

Even without seeing later stuff, I'm totally sure that's the case. Makes perfect sense actually.

Agreeing that John Barrowman is definitely not the world's strongest actor. Him and Gareth David Lloyd (Ianto) are, IMO, the worst in the show. Eve Myles, Burn Gorman and Naoko Mori never put a note out of place, but when JB and GDL try to do serious acting, I just end up *laughing*. I love them when they're being silly and snarky, but not when they're crying.

Yeah, I'm all in my AAAHHH!LOVESOMUCH! phase that I didn't want to comment on the fact that GDL wasn't the best at crying, but I still just felt so for him.

I'm kind of amused that you're so enthusiastic for s1 - I liked it but I didn't *love* it, and that's a fairly common sentiment in the fandom, that I've seen.

I know! That's what I've gathered. A few minutes into the first episode I was thinking, this is the season that's so-so, it's supposed to be s2 that kicks ass, but I am LOVING this one so far.

Compared to s2, the characterisation is *very* flat. But then, I still squeed like a bit of a maniac on watching it! XD

Ah, see that's interesting, because one of the things I've been loving is how the first two episodes gave us some good Gwen characterization, episode three ("Ghost Machine") gave us some good Owen stuff, "Small World" had some great Jack character stuff and the preview for the next episode looks like it will deliver some good Toshiko stuff.
Mia: Telly timemusing_mia on September 13th, 2008 11:30 pm (UTC)
So...you're the reason I can't get Torchwood from Netflix. :-D
Arabian: TVarabian on September 14th, 2008 01:18 am (UTC)
As I said on the phone, watch Who first. In order of new Who First season (series) is on watch instantly. I think you'll get a bigger, deeper enjoyment out of Torchwood if you've seen at least the first two series of Who first. Seriously.
Diana: Human -- Jack Harknessbutterfly on September 13th, 2008 11:49 pm (UTC)
Oh! Tell me if you think I'm crazy, but I see elements of a bit of a shadow Doctor/companion going on with the "Small World" kids and the fairies. Like they do with the Racnoss Queen/Lance in "The Runaway Bride" or the Master/Lucy in "the Sound of the Drums" -- a darker side to 'I can show you a world you've never dreamed of'.

It may be the rose petals that makes me think of it, but I know that I spend my first viewing of "Small World" blinking and thinking about Rose a lot (especially since the Doctor has a touch of alien callousness, especially when Rose is in danger, though not to the same degree that the fairies show).
Arabian: Gwen Somberarabian on September 14th, 2008 01:19 am (UTC)
Hmm, I didn't think that at all while watching it, but I totally see where you're coming from though. As soon as I read your first paragraph, it makes perfect sense.
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Arabian: Dr. Horriblearabian on September 14th, 2008 02:46 am (UTC)
Heh, Dr. Horrible and the TARDIS. HAH!

AH! I'm glad that you're loving it.

I really, really am!

And yes, most who watch don't have a Doctor Who background. But for those us who do, it's funny.

More than the funny (which is true -- hehe, meet the "right" doctor, Jack?), the poignancy of the moment when they all won't look at Jack because of the choice he made in "Small World." That hit SO hard BECAUSE of all of the Doctor angst, which we know that Jack shares a small part of now because he has to make those decisions himself too. It's deep, man.

But yes, Jack is much better in the spin-off (I know, I know, I said it).

Dude, I'm with you. I was NOT a Jack fan in Who, so this is lovely liking him so here.

Cyberwoman- I had the same reaction! "WTF isn't Ianto gay?!" Gah, he's just funny. My dad hates how everyone is gay in this show. And there are some episodes I'm glad I didn't watch with him...it'll make sense in a few.

Good. I have two episodes left (sniff, sniff) before I get the next DVDs (not until Wednesday ... SNIFF, SNIFF!).

I do like Gwen, I think she is a great character. But, I'm saying it, I never really noticed how much of a Rose-like quality she has. She is very compassionate, defintely, but never really thought of her in that way. Still, she's just going to be Gwen to me.

I definitely see how she's different, it's just that the way she reacts to the fantastical situations around her is so Rose-like. It's practical and compassionate. Very Rose-like.