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23 August 2008 @ 04:42 pm
Doctor Who 1x07 "The Long Game" rewatch-review  
As I've stated elsewhere, once I finished season two of New Who, I was going to rewatch and review what I call my "Her Name was Rose" collection (click here for the full list of episodes).

Note: If you missed the last rewatch-review (of "Dalek"), you might want to check it out as Rob Shearman, the writer of that particular episode, popped in and added some wonderful insight to the whole process.

Hmm, so "The Long Game" ... yeah. I don't love this one, at all. I don't want to go as far to say that I dislike it, but it's my least favorite episode by far thus far. Again, I don't dislike it, but I'm not into it either. Honestly, once I'm done with my rewatch-reviews and go back to just doing a normal rewatch without the write-ups with them, I may actually just skip over this one. There are some cute Doctor/Rose moments, and some really cute Doctor moments, but overall? It's just not a very good episode, or even a fun one for me. Sigh. I hate when I don't love or at least really, really like Rusty's episodes because I generally really do.

What's especially frustrating about this one is how it SHOULD have been so much better with such a fabulous premise as laid out by DW writer, robshearman, in the Dalek thread: This episode was slotted as "The companion who couldn't." I mean, fabulous, right? What a wonderful idea to show the contrast between Rose (and other companions who can, but being new Who and Rose being the first companion, specifically Rose) and the type of person who would not make a good companion, but yet I feel that Davies took a wrong turn. He went too obvious, his why of the companion's can't too pedestrian and predictable.

Part of my issue remains with Bruno Langley as Adam. I wrote about him in my "Dalek" write-up:
Bruno Langley as Adam was good; he played the pretty boy genius, nothing outstanding and not terribly charismatic, but he played the role as called for.
And that was fine, if not outstanding in that episode, but here we needed more depth and layering from the actor to take the role and situation above obvious and pedestrian. Langley played exactly what was on the paper, and as this is one of (in my opinion) Davies' weaker scripts and weaker character episodes, that meant that Adam was about as three-dimensional as a piece of paper. The jump from fainting, stunned Adam in the teaser to the conniving, lying Adam to Rose when he wanted "alone time" back to stunned, slightly scared Adam in the brain surgery scene, back to ... you get the point. Langley just kept playing Adam as whatever motive was behind his actions on the page for that scene alone, there was no connection between the different layers ... unless it was all an act. But again, the first scene and some of the overwhelmed behavior later on, didn't come across as an act at all. So yeah, shoddy characterization and by-the-lines acting just sunk this character and Adam is a fairly important component of this episode.

Aside from Langley, though, the episode featured four other supporting players who showcased some wonderful acting and shining moments. Namely Christine Adams as Cathica, Anna Maxwell-Martin as Suki/Eva and Simon Pegg as the Editor, as well as a smaller role (the nurse) played by Tamsin Greig. In ways that I didn't get to know Adam through the course of two episodes, I felt like I knew Cathica and Suki. I got them, their fight, the types of people they were. And Pegg and Creig were just both fantastic, selling so much in every moment. The giddy reactions, the subservience to his master alongside his condescension of everyone else by Simon Pegg was just wonderful, and made his scenes a delight to watch and yet there was the subtext that underneath it all he was just a venal, vile man and so when Suki grabbed his leg and kept him there to suffer the death of the Jagafress, it felt utterly deserved. And in a smaller role, Greig was just spot-on, making every moment count. The slight weariness of another stupid student bothering her, followed by the growing desire to make a sell that finally became a full-fledged sales pitch that was delivered with an almost winning seduction. She was fabulous.

Which leaves us with Adams and Maxwell-Martin. Although Christine Adam's Cathica had the bigger role, I actually have found myself liking Maxwell-Martin's Suki/Eva more each time I've watched this. I don't know if it was just how effortlessly she moved from the wide-eyed, somewhat dim Suki to the freedom-righting Eva San Julienne with a perfectly acted mix of the two in-between. If you don't know that Suki is Eva before she's called on it, you simply see Suki as she moves through level 500, sure there are small signs -- the flashlight being the most noticable, but still overall, she's Suki. But once you go back and rewatch and you know that Suki is Eva, you see the care in which she walks, how she looks around, holds herself, her facial expression. Excellent, excellent job. And, Davies does something with her character that is echoed later in Yvonne Hartman, something that I loved in both characters: Even though they are essentially dead, both of them are so completely and absolutely committed to their cause that the core of who they are remains (Suki/Eva stopping the Editor from escaping, Yvonne blasting away in the name of Queen and country even after being Cyber-ized) in a moment of doing the right thing. I love that.

As for Cathica, I do like her ... and I think that's owed more to Adams performance, rather than Davies' characterization. Again, for all of his episodes thus far, this is by far the weakest in that regard as far as I'm concerned. Suki/Eva, I think came across the best in his writing, Cathica not as much. Yes, she has her moment to shine -- sigh, more on that later, but overall she comes across as rather dim (despite that she should come across as blindly intelligent) and petty. Still Adams' line readings and facial expressions give the character a boost of likability and make that dimness and pettiness more human and understandable than a lesser actress might have pulled off.

Now, onto that whole shining moment, a.k.a. another of Rusty's deux ex machina moments. Sigh, I love the dude, I really do. It's much, MUCH more important to me that we get good characterization, so I'm wont to let him slide on his overuse of the last-minute, sloppily or unexplained-pretty-much-at-all solutions. However, this episode had sloppy characterization *and* a sloppy solution. Okay, so Cathica took the information she garnered from the Doctor and reversed it all ... how? We were told that the spike-thing was a way to receive information, so I could see by his comment that she was now giving out the new information she learned, but how did that affect the piping or anything else and as dramatically and quickly as it did so? Maybe it does make sense and *I'm* the one being dim, but I don't think I am. I think it was Rusty pulling something out of his ass to end the story, and it wasn't very well done.

But then the entire story wasn't very well done. Going back to Adam, did it have to be so black and white? His trangression, I mean. With such an intriguing premise of the "companion who couldn't," this is all that Davies could come up with? He's a mercenary, selfish git? That just makes the Doctor, and especially Rose, look like idiots for bringing him along because they both had more than enough clues that this is exactly the kind of guy he was. He was working for a man like Harry Van Statten just so he could get his hands on potential alien finds, along with his cowardice in leaving Rose behind ... what does that say about him? Not a whole lot. And Rose had the further information about his reaction to nearly causing World War III. You could say that Davies was just working off of what Shearman had given him with Adam in "Dalek," but it could have been played around and turned into something else ... an Adam who was immature, who wasn't truly ready for the wonder of it all.

A perfect example of properly, brilliantly showing the companion who couldn't is Donna in "The Runaway Bride." She said no and chose not to travel with him because it was too much for her, too brilliant yes, but mostly too dark, too scary. There simply was so much potential in this premise and I felt it was thrown away by Davies' plot and characterization of Adam, as well as Langley's acting. Hmm, maybe Davies felt the same way to a degree because prior to Donna coming back in "Partners in Crime," her Christmas special could follow the premise of the "companion who couldn't" as well ... and it was done much, much better.

As for the overall plot itself, the idea was interesting. I liked Suki, Cathica and the Editor (well, I didn't *like* him, but you know what I mean), but it just didn't work for me overall, I can't put on my finger why. Something about the execution of it, I suppose, but again, I can't say just why. ::Shrugs::

So, plot, characterization, guest stars ... what's left? Oh, right, the Doctor and Rose. Sigh. Sorta a step back, but still we had some really cute moments. Honestly, were it not for Adam from the previous episode being there, their interaction would much better fit after my beloved "The Unquiet Dead," as opposed to after torn between saving the planet or for sure saving Rose ("World War Three") and "the woman you love ..." ("Dalek"). He's not happy about Adam, but his jealousy comes off more playfully ... and it's a playful game that Rose goes along with.

Hmm, wait a second. Well, I don't know now ... backtracking right now as I write this up and questioning if it was deliberate, deliberate in how the Doctor was pulling back, was taking things to that comfort level before things got so heavy and emotional between them, and Rose was playing along with that. Because later moments do recall the heft of their recent emotional interaction. Hmm, I think I'm going to revise my original thought that I had while watching this. I DO think it was deliberate because of three follow-up moments to that playful jealousy.

The first being when Adam is trying to get some alone time so that he could steal technology from the future to make himself the next Bill Gates in his own time. I thought initially that Adam told Rose that she wanted to be with the Doctor, saying:
You stick with the Doctor. You’d rather be with him. It’s gonna take a better man than me to get between you two.
as a way to get her away from him, and I'm sure that was definitely part of it, but it was revealed later clearly that HE did absolutely mean it. When the Editor was receiving the information on the Doctor from Adam's brain, what he got in regards to the Doctor's "little human girl from long ago ..." was totally that. The "his girl," especially accompanied with the Editor's caressing of Rose's face certainly implied "girlfriend," and that came from Adam's brain. Secondly, there was Rose's reaction to Adam's comment above about her wanting to be with the Doctor. She listens to what he says and we see a quick look of realization/'am I that obvious?' on her face and then a slight eyebrow raise that acknowledges that that yes, she would rather be with the Doctor and, yup, she IS that obvious paired with an 'oh, well.'

Finally, the whole "his little human girl" straight from Adam's mind, is straight from Davies' pen. The Doctor loves Rose, yes, he does. Oh, and of course, right before that reveal the Doctor was offering up information already because the Editor had hurt Rose and the Doctor was having none of that. So, yeah, not a step back at all, good. Garsh, I love writing these out if only that it gives me further insight even as I'm figuring it out in my brain. Squee!!

Okay, random observation time ...

- One of three other cute Doctor/Rose moments in this episode is in the teaser. Yes, it's to impress Adam, but I still love how the Doctor gives Rose the information in which to do so. He's so sweet, and looks so proudly at her when she does such a good job of it, letting her show off like that. Awww. It makes me grin every time.

- Then, of course, there's this familiar bit seen often in music vids ... the Doctor and Rose briefly discussing and agreeing that it's better with just the two of them. And he takes her hand. Squee!! Handporn! returns!! And the way he pulls her to him as the lift closes ... they're so cute!!!

Check out the short clip below (via imeem) or download for better quality for here.


- Finally, I love how he and Rose are sitting/standing in the scene where the Doctor is making Cathica question everything. He's on the spike seat and Rose is casually leaning against the headrest. It's just smile-worthy, they look so in-tune, so in sync. It's awesome. See?





(I also love their matching 'WTF?!' expressions in the second picture. Hee!)

- Okay, one more ... when they're tied up by the Editor we have another instance of Rose trying to say the alien name and giving her own take on it ("Jagra ... belly") and the Doctor calmly, casually corrects her. Hee, so them. I love it.

- This is the first episode where we see Rose handling the Doctor's sonic screwdriver. *Sigh* If only that were a euphemism. *Double sigh*

- Heh, as much as I love the tender, sweet, shippy Doctor/Rose moments, I also get a laugh out of Nine's exasperation and how badly he hides it. For example: When he senses the evil ongoings on floor 500 he tells Rose to go downstairs, her simple reply of "tough" elicits a look her way that so clearly says 'She's SUCH a pain in the ass sometimes.' Hee!

- I love this exchange, mostly because of Pegg and Eccleston's deliveries ...
Rose: So, all the people on Earth are like, slaves.
The Editor: Well, now. There's an interesting point. Is a slave a slave if he doesn't know he's enslaved?
Doctor: Yes.
The Editor Oh. I was hoping for a philosophical debate. Is that all I'm going to get: 'Yes?'
Doctor: Yes.
It's just fun, and never fails to get a laugh (or at least a hearty grin) out of me.

- Normally, I get slightly peeved (I'm such an emotional, irrational shipper!) when I see Rose or the Doctor in any sort of "moment" with someone else, but I got no shippy undertones at all from the Doctor/Suki hug. It was just adorable. "I'll hug anyone." He's so adorkable. He really, really is.

- Speaking of my overly-emotional shippy side, I should have been bothered by the Doctor telling Rose that Adam was her boyfriend and her response of "not anymore" in the teaser because of what it implied. (Of course, we so go back to the playful teasing and that's truly what I think it was, gentle ribbing on the Doctor's part, but still ... This is me and my emotional, irrational shipper side.) Anyhoo, I can't help but crack up at the whole scene and the why of those comments. Adam fainting behind them and their straight-faced commentary, cracks me up every time. Hah!

- Another dorky Doctor moment, him waving "bye" to Cathica as he and Rose headed up to level 500. Again, he's so adorkable. I love him.

- I also love Rose and her continued heart and compassion, shown so often, even in little ways ... like in this episode. I love how she rushes to Suki when she sees her at the computer on level 500, and tries to help her automatically, oblivious to anything else in that moment. So Rose.

- Oy, Davis and his habit of throwing in one-liners during his denouements -- he wrote the 'Van Statten gets dumped scene' in "Dalek", and I was really bugged by the callback to the cities starting with a letter line because the use of it appeared only to get a cheap laugh. Davies does it again here. And unlike the last episode where it made no emotional sense, this time it also makes no logical sense at ALL! Cathica knows indisputably that there is no such thing as a promotion on level 500. She knows the horror that's happening up there and yet when the Editor orders her mind burned, she responds with: "Oh no you don't. You should've promoted me YEARS back." Stupid, illogical and thrown in there simply for the cheap laugh. Does. not. work. La-ame.

- Another bothersome point, again seemingly done for a cheap laugh, is how the Doctor simply leaves Adam in his current time of 2012 with that massive technology in his brain. Low-profile is one thing, but it really would be close to impossible unless he becomes a complete hermit (and the Doctor knows enough of Adam to know that ain't gonna happen) and so the information, the technology WOULD get out. And that is just sloppy and unlike the Doctor. Better had Davis just dropped the whole stupid, snapping subplot and instead had a line as they dropped him off be about having taken him somewhere in the future (for his last trip) to have that technology removed from his brain, leaving the episode on Adam, groveling, pathetic and alone for his transgressions, as the companion who couldn't with nothing to show for his travels.

- Okay, dude, the Mighty Jagrafess CGI was particularly sad and unscary. Ah well, with the BBC budget they did the best they could. I almost think it would have been so much better had they left it to the imagination with the only sight of the Jagrafess being it's exploding body. (And what is it with Russell and exploding villains in THE most disgusting way? First Cassandra, now this. Yuck.

ETA: I'd forgotten the exploding Slitheen in "World War Three," erm, thanks for that reminder, cailetls. LOL!)

- Finally, handporn! time: Only one hand-hold in "The Long Game," but I like it. It's not close-up handporn! or even remotely lingering, but the meaning behind it is quite lovely: It's good with just the two of them. Squee!!





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    Cailetcailetls on August 23rd, 2008 10:16 pm (UTC)
    (And what is it with Russell and exploding villains in THE most disgusting way? First Cassandra, now this. Yuck.)
    Don't forget the exploding Slitheen. Ewww.

    I like the Rose-leaning-on-the-chair scene, too. And even though her hair is absolutely fried, how cute is that high ponytail look on her?
    Arabian: Dr Who (9)arabian on August 23rd, 2008 11:07 pm (UTC)
    You're right, I totally forgot the exploding Slitheen. Seriously, Rusty! Just, ewww!

    I like the Rose-leaning-on-the-chair scene, too.

    It's just so coupl-y! Love.

    And even though her hair is absolutely fried, how cute is that high ponytail look on her?

    Agreed, and agreed.
    Velvet Rain Drops: Nine and Roseadriana_is on August 23rd, 2008 10:16 pm (UTC)
    oh yay! You posted it.

    And the way her body nudges into him as the lift closes ... they're so cute!!! (from my standpoint, it looks like he pulls her to him but, I may be biased). :)

    Adam was just there. I didn't really see any point to his presence in this episode. I didn't really see any reason for him to be there since he didn't really contribute to the plot, except maybe for his observation of the Doctor/Rose dynamics but other than that...meh. The guy was so bland really.

    My most favorite character was the Editor. I love Simon Pegg and he did a brilliant job here for all the reasons you stated.

    Now I have to go back and rewatch this episode.
    Arabian: Dr Who (9) - Victorianarabian on August 23rd, 2008 11:10 pm (UTC)
    And the way her body nudges into him as the lift closes ... they're so cute!!! (from my standpoint, it looks like he pulls her to him but, I may be biased). :)

    You're totally right. I'll edit that out. He does pull her to him, which is still pretty dang cute!

    Adam was just there. I didn't really see any point to his presence in this episode. I didn't really see any reason for him to be there since he didn't really contribute to the plot, except maybe for his observation of the Doctor/Rose dynamics but other than that...meh. The guy was so bland really.

    He gave up the info about who the Doctor was, but yeah, totally unimportant, and ooh, ooh, that reminded me of something I forgot to add, re: Adam and the end. Another edit.

    My most favorite character was the Editor. I love Simon Pegg and he did a brilliant job here for all the reasons you stated.

    Yes, yes!!

    Now I have to go back and rewatch this episode

    Enjoy! I may have not loved it, but the Doctor/Rose moments are cute.
    Katecalixti on August 23rd, 2008 10:20 pm (UTC)
    I actually sort of liked Adam. Not as a character, so much, but as a sort of setup for the Doctor's reaction to Jack's flirting with Rose and coming on board the TARDIS; if it hadn't been for Adam, I don't think he would have reacted in the same way.

    Aside from that and the importance of this episode in establishing the events leading to Bad Wolf, not a fan of this episode. I usually skip it unless I'm watching with someone new to Who.
    Arabianarabian on August 23rd, 2008 11:15 pm (UTC)
    I actually sort of liked Adam.

    I didn't dislike him, I was just 'meh' on him.

    Not as a character, so much, but as a sort of setup for the Doctor's reaction to Jack's flirting with Rose and coming on board the TARDIS; if it hadn't been for Adam, I don't think he would have reacted in the same way.

    Right, I agree ... Adam was the second (after Mickey) in the line of cute, useless "boyfriends" of Rose's.

    Aside from that and the importance of this episode in establishing the events leading to Bad Wolf, not a fan of this episode. I usually skip it unless I'm watching with someone new to Who.

    Yeah. That's how I'll approach it now.

    Edited at 2008-08-24 08:08 am (UTC)
    Katecalixti on August 23rd, 2008 11:08 pm (UTC)
    Also, re: RTD and his one-liners, I don't think anything can top Jack's "Face of Boe" line when that idea is WILDLY inconsistent with what we know about Boekind as revealed in Bad Wolf and with Jack's complete lack of a reaction when Martha mentions it in Utopia. I'm not sure he really thinks before adding those things to the script.
    Arabian: Rose_smilearabian on August 23rd, 2008 11:17 pm (UTC)
    You know, when I first watched that episode, I LOVED that line and hadn't thought of anything that would contradict it, but on rewatches, yeah, it was quite obvious that it HAD been contradicted.

    Not only with the ones you mentioned, but the Face of Boe flat-out tells the Doctor that they'll only meet three times and we saw all three times in the show ("The End of the World," "New Earth," and "Gridlocked").

    I like shinyopals' take that it was a bet that Rose made with Jack some time ago. That works.
    Katecalixti on August 24th, 2008 12:01 am (UTC)
    Never picked up on the three times thing before, but that's a contradiction too, innit? I mean, I can suspend disbelief for plenty (like the corpses in The Unquiet Dead not having their mouths tied closed, or the "reverse the polarity of the neutron flow!" bit, or the sonic screwdriver doing pretty much whatever the Doctor needs), but if it contradicts previously established facts of canon I'll be all wtf?

    Of course, it could be that I just overthink things. xD
    Arabianarabian on August 24th, 2008 08:09 am (UTC)
    The not perfect historical moments, or sci-fi crack, I'm fine with because, well, historical stuffies is messed up a lot on a lot of shows, movies, books, etc. And sci-fi crack IS sci-fi crack, and those aren't all on Rusty. However, his penchant for going for cheap laughs at the expense of plot, character, canon and/or emotional continuity bugs. (Sorry, Rusty)
    sammie28 on August 24th, 2008 01:22 am (UTC)
    Adam...there was no connection between the different layers ...

    Amen. Too flat, even as a bad guy.

    The commentary or "Confidential" mentioned tptb wanted Adam to steal info from the future to help his terminally ill father, but they decided to drop that line. I'm sorry they did; it would have given Adam another facet, though perhaps it was cramming too much into the story.



    Anna Maxwell-Martin as Suki/Eva and Simon Pegg as the Editor....

    I LOVE Anna. I loved her in "Bleak House", and she stole every scene from Anne Hathaway in "Becoming Jane". I can't wait to see more of Anna's stuff when it shows up stateside. Slipping in from that wide-eyed innocent to the sophisticated, cynical guerilla warrior - so excellent. I'm sorry Anna's character died. I'd like to have seen her pop up again somewhere.

    Simon Pegg was great, too. I can't put my finger on it, and his (written) lines seem generic - but Pegg was riveting.



    a.k.a. another of Rusty'sdeux ex machina moments

    Yeah, I couldn't quite figure out how Cathica managed to reverse the info flow. First, why would technicians building the spike allow it to be reversed? And how can someone get things to act by mere thought? Even if Cathica simply shut down the heat transfer system, how can she just do it without actually pulling wires or such? Even the Doctor had to use his screwdriver just to get a feed on the TV.

    RTD definitely has many dei ex machina. I may be the only one who was annoyed, but I really, REALLY hated the entire "Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End" regeneration thing. I'm happy DT is still Ten, of course, but I found it a cheap use of regeneration. Ten "didn't want" to regenerate?! Which of the previous nine doctors WANTED to? And the only reason it works is because Ten has a hand handy?

    Something as important as regeneration should be used carefully. I felt like I was getting the "Doctor Who" version of the "quitting/fired but not really" scenario that American cop shows use every other season (someone "quits"/"fired" or the team is "broken up" and everyone returns at the beginning of next season).



    I love that image you mentioned - the Doctor in the spike seat and Rose leaning on it. It's so relaxed, so casual, so natural!

    Doctor telling Rose that Adam was her boyfriend

    I actually rather liked it. I felt like the Doctor was saying it just to get a rise out of Rose. It was the same when the Doctor said he was sending Rose off on her first date with Adam, and Rose turned around with a laugh and a "You're gonna get a smack, you are!"

    It seemed to me such a comfort level between the Doctor and Rose - that Adam was so clearly NOT a threat they can joke about it. The Doctor's clearly possessive of Rose and gets jealous when her attention is elsewhere. He even seduces Rose away from her own mother and displays a bit of jealousy in "Boomtown" towards MICKEY as he watches Mickey and Rose outside the TARDIS. And, of course, there's Jack, who seems to throw the Doctor into a complete tizzy over Rose.

    This complete lack of reaction from the Doctor here made me just think of Adam as, like, I don't know - a yappy little puppy Rose wanted to bring on board.



    him waving "bye" to cathica as he and Rose headed up to level 500

    I just love that scene. CE's roles are usually so intense and dark, and I love how "Doctor Who" brought out a comic side. That scene sticks in my head, as well as the one in "Rose" where he's in the apartment living room, "attempting" to play cards. The "luck be a lady" singing as the cards go flying...hehe.



    is how the Doctor simply leaves Adam in his current time of 2012 with that massive technology in his brain. ...the technology WOULD get out. And that is just sloppy and unlike the Doctor.

    YES. That always bothered me. The Doctor sonics Adam's phone so he can't use the information, but Adam's got a huge hole in his head and the Doctor isn't worried?

    wmr wrote a story called "The Best" which, I feel, dealt brilliantly with "Long Game"'s loose ends. Fantastic. I like to think of that as the real ending to "LG".
    Katecalixti on August 24th, 2008 02:50 am (UTC)

    wmr wrote a story called "The Best" which, I feel, dealt brilliantly with "Long Game"'s loose ends.

    Could you link to it? I'd love to read it.
    Arabian: Dr Who (9)arabian on August 24th, 2008 08:25 am (UTC)
    Here's the link: The Best by wmr
    CC: DR Reunionmidnightzstorm on August 24th, 2008 07:24 am (UTC)
    I remember hearing or reading about that little bit of Adam's back story. It would have made the character much more interesting and three dimensional.
    Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Kissarabian on August 24th, 2008 08:26 am (UTC)
    Yes, it would have ... but honestly, just after watching the episode, I'm leaning towards the fact that I'm not sure that Langley could have pulled that off.

    We'll never know now.
    Arabian: Christopher Eccleston_01arabian on August 24th, 2008 08:23 am (UTC)
    "Adam...there was no connection between the different layers ...

    Amen. Too flat, even as a bad guy.


    Lordy, that right there is part of the problem! He was so flat, I've never even thought of him as a "bad guy."

    The commentary or "Confidential" mentioned tptb wanted Adam to steal info from the future to help his terminally ill father, but they decided to drop that line. I'm sorry they did; it would have given Adam another facet, though perhaps it was cramming too much into the story.

    Of course, if they dropped the lame-ass snapping aspect of it and the stupid-ass ending done for just laughs, they perhaps could have fit that in. Perhaps have the reveal AFTER the Doctor/Rose drop him off that it was for his dad, it would have added an aching poignancy to the episode. Ah well.

    Anna Maxwell-Martin as Suki/Eva and Simon Pegg as the Editor....

    I LOVE Anna. I loved her in "Bleak House", and she stole every scene from Anne Hathaway in "Becoming Jane". I can't wait to see more of Anna's stuff when it shows up stateside. Slipping in from that wide-eyed innocent to the sophisticated, cynical guerilla warrior - so excellent. I'm sorry Anna's character died. I'd like to have seen her pop up again somewhere.


    Oh, that was her in BJ? I just really like the actress then, that's why I liked her so much more, even more than Cathica in the bigger role. I would have liked to see her again, too.

    Simon Pegg was great, too. I can't put my finger on it, and his (written) lines seem generic - but Pegg was riveting.

    Yup, by far, WEAKEST characters written by Davies -- I seriously wonder if something was going on while writing this one, because Suki, Cathica (to a degree), The Editor and the nurse are saved ONLY by the actors.

    "a.k.a. another of Rusty'sdeux ex machina moments"

    Yeah, I couldn't quite figure out how Cathica managed to reverse the info flow. First, why would technicians building the spike allow it to be reversed? And how can someone get things to act by mere thought? Even if Cathica simply shut down the heat transfer system, how can she just do it without actually pulling wires or such? Even the Doctor had to use his screwdriver just to get a feed on the TV.


    RIGHT! So it wasn't just me being dim. It just didn't make sense.

    RTD definitely has many dei ex machina.

    Yup, I hope his next show/project (which I will TOTALLY watch) is not sci-fi where he doesn't feel obligated to pull those out of his ass, because his writing otherwise is so very good.

    I may be the only one who was annoyed, but I really, REALLY hated the entire "Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End" regeneration thing. I'm happy DT is still Ten, of course, but I found it a cheap use of regeneration. Ten "didn't want" to regenerate?! Which of the previous nine doctors WANTED to? And the only reason it works is because Ten has a hand handy?

    Well, that makes sense (to a degree on a crack-y sci-fi show). It ONLY worked because he had the hand that was lopped off DURING the first 12 hours of a regeneration, so it still had the regeneration properties in it. Eh, I'm easy, LOL!

    Something as important as regeneration should be used carefully. I felt like I was getting the "Doctor Who" version of the "quitting/fired but not really" scenario that American cop shows use every other season (someone "quits"/"fired" or the team is "broken up" and everyone returns at the beginning of next season).

    I'd agree, if it were overused, but Rusty only used it here, so I was okay with it ... and for me, there WAS a (sci-fi, crack-laden) explanation for it that I could buy. If I can buy the okaaaay! Sci-fi crack element of it, I'm fine, it's when even that doesn't work (ie, Cathica's causing the pipes to burst just by reversing the feed, huh!??!?!?) that I have an issue.

    Edited at 2008-08-24 08:27 am (UTC)
    Arabian: Dr Who (Nine)arabian on August 24th, 2008 08:23 am (UTC)
    I love that image you mentioned - the Doctor in the spike seat and Rose leaning on it. It's so relaxed, so casual, so natural!

    It's just ... guh! I love it so.

    "Doctor telling Rose that Adam was her boyfriend"

    I actually rather liked it. I felt like the Doctor was saying it just to get a rise out of Rose. It was the same when the Doctor said he was sending Rose off on her first date with Adam, and Rose turned around with a laugh and a "You're gonna get a smack, you are!"


    Right, that's what I meant in that it was gentle ribbing, playful jealousy and Rose was playing along.

    It seemed to me such a comfort level between the Doctor and Rose - that Adam was so clearly NOT a threat they can joke about it. The Doctor's clearly possessive of Rose and gets jealous when her attention is elsewhere. He even seduces Rose away from her own mother and displays a bit of jealousy in "Boomtown" towards MICKEY as he watches Mickey and Rose outside the TARDIS. And, of course, there's Jack, who seems to throw the Doctor into a complete tizzy over Rose.

    This complete lack of reaction from the Doctor here made me just think of Adam as, like, I don't know - a yappy little puppy Rose wanted to bring on board.


    Yeah, that's what I saw too and why even though my normal emotional/irrational shipper side would come out, it just doesn't with Adam, because he's so not a threat. The Doctor (especially Nine) -- who gets possessively jealous over Rose quite easily -- not getting jealous over Adam really shows how much of a "threat" he was. I just have to stop reading any fic that actually references Rose sleeping with Adam. Puh-leeze!

    "him waving "bye" to cathica as he and Rose headed up to level 500

    I just love that scene. CE's roles are usually so intense and dark, and I love how "Doctor Who" brought out a comic side. That scene sticks in my head, as well as the one in "Rose" where he's in the apartment living room, "attempting" to play cards. The "luck be a lady" singing as the cards go flying...hehe.


    Yes, I LOVE the dorky, goofy moments because it comes across as if THAT is who the personality of this Doctor truly is, but the horror of what happened to him has dimmed that, so when that comes out -- more and more, thanks to Rose, it just makes me grin.

    "is how the Doctor simply leaves Adam in his current time of 2012 with that massive technology in his brain. ...the technology WOULD get out. And that is just sloppy and unlike the Doctor.

    YES. That always bothered me. The Doctor sonics Adam's phone so he can't use the information, but Adam's got a huge hole in his head and the Doctor isn't worried?


    I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    wmr wrote a story called "The Best" which, I feel, dealt brilliantly with "Long Game"'s loose ends. Fantastic. I like to think of that as the real ending to "LG".

    Yeah, I was actually thinking of that story when watching this and the end rolled around. How could the Doctor just leave Adam like that? Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy. Just NOT a strong Rusty episode.

    Edited at 2008-08-24 08:25 am (UTC)
    sammie28 on August 25th, 2008 01:56 am (UTC)
    that was her in BJ?

    Yes, Anna played Cassandra Austen, Jane's sister.

    I have nothing against Anne Hathaway or James McAvoy, but I found "Becoming Jane" boring. I spent the entire movie watching for Anna and saying, "Poor, sweet, awkward Wisley - well, at least you get Billie Piper."



    I LOVE the dorky, goofy moments because it comes across as if THAT is who the personality of this Doctor truly is, but the horror of what happened to him has dimmed that, so when that comes out -- more and more, thanks to Rose

    YES! Nine is so crushed and defeated, and Rose rebuilds him slowly. I forget who it was who said that Rose made Ten. Ten's openness, Ten's smiles, Ten's more joking behavior - to me, at least, it was a product of Rose's being with him before, particularly so soon after the Time War and regeneration.

    I love David Tennant, I do, and I've seen some of his non-"Who" work, but I'm not sure he could have pulled off the tortured Nine as well as Eccleston did. I really had trouble with the scene in "Christmas Invasion" where the Doctor allows the Racnoss' Empress's babies to be flooded to death. I suppose the idea was both fear and sorrow while Donna screaming for the Doctor to stop while Ten has no sympathy, that it's to be a moment where the viewers is slightly frightened by this dark side of the Doctor while feeling sympathy for all that has brought that darkness, but I just couldn't feel it.

    By contrast, when Nine started torturing the Dalek, it was a bit freaky; but when Rose confronts him at the end, he says, "Oh, Rose - they're all dead!" I just wanted to run over and hug him.
    Arabian: Christopher Eccleston_01arabian on August 27th, 2008 01:07 pm (UTC)
    I have nothing against Anne Hathaway or James McAvoy, but I found "Becoming Jane" boring. I spent the entire movie watching for Anna and saying, "Poor, sweet, awkward Wisley - well, at least you get Billie Piper."

    I liked the beginning, but then it just started to fall apart; it's like they were afraid to actually go for SWEEPING romance. Ah, I have Billie's other work waiting to watch. I'm doing my rewatches and THEN I'm diving into all of the Piper/Eccleston/Tennant/Tate other work.

    "I LOVE the dorky, goofy moments because it comes across as if THAT is who the personality of this Doctor truly is, but the horror of what happened to him has dimmed that, so when that comes out -- more and more, thanks to Rose"

    YES! Nine is so crushed and defeated, and Rose rebuilds him slowly.


    She really does. It's partially her youth, but also I think the way she DOES flirt with him, and those moments where she DOES treat him like a "man" worth wanting and having. It all worked to build him back up.

    I forget who it was who said that Rose made Ten. Ten's openness, Ten's smiles, Ten's more joking behavior - to me, at least, it was a product of Rose's being with him before, particularly so soon after the Time War and regeneration.

    A few people have said it, but I know some Nine purists get upset at the notion (as if it demeans Nine, and makes Rose shallow for wanting a pretty boy?!), but I see it as a wonderfully romantic thing, personally.

    I love David Tennant, I do, and I've seen some of his non-"Who" work, but I'm not sure he could have pulled off the tortured Nine as well as Eccleston did.

    Right, I agree. But then, Eccleston really is in that rare class of actor who can pretty much pull off ANYTHING. I'd put him up there with Ralph Fiennes, Gary Oldman, etc. And that's HIGH, HIGH praise coming from me. (Fiennes is my favorite actor ... period.)

    I really had trouble with the scene in "Christmas Invasion" where the Doctor allows the Racnoss' Empress's babies to be flooded to death. I suppose the idea was both fear and sorrow while Donna screaming for the Doctor to stop while Ten has no sympathy, that it's to be a moment where the viewers is slightly frightened by this dark side of the Doctor while feeling sympathy for all that has brought that darkness, but I just couldn't feel it.

    "The Runaway Bride," you mean. I dunno, I don't remember having a problem with it, because I did feel sorry for him, but I was thinking 'oh, noes, he's lost Rose and he's falling apart!!' so I was all caught up in the tortured romance of it. I know, I know, I need help.

    By contrast, when Nine started torturing the Dalek, it was a bit freaky; but when Rose confronts him at the end, he says, "Oh, Rose - they're all dead!" I just wanted to run over and hug him.

    Hmm, see I love Eccleston (you know that), but that wasn't one of my favorite line readings by him. It wasn't bad or off by any stretch, it just didn't reach out and grab me (like the earlier stuff in that episode had for instance). I did want to hug him, but thinking on it, comparatively, I don't think we were supposed to get the same reaction. I think it was supposed to be more like his reaction to Cassandra in TEoftW. And I didn't feel much sympathy for Nine there. I dunno, I'll have to see where I'm coming from where I do the rewatch-review of TRB.

    Edited at 2008-08-27 01:09 pm (UTC)
    yenly_gozal: Nine!frownyenly_gozal on August 24th, 2008 11:24 am (UTC)
    Out of the whole S1, I find this episode as the least impressive episode. I don't hate it, but it's just, I find this episode is not as good as others.

    After Dalek (complete with all the emotional thingy), this episode is quite, well, lame. Oh, and I also find that in this episode, RTD want to emphasize more on Adam's selfishness and his incapability to be The Doctor's companion and he finally was being 'dumped' back home.

    One scene that bother me so much is when The Doctor left Adam there, complete with the hole in his head, without giving it any second thought. I mean, he, out of all people, must know the danger of such futuristic technology, but yet, he just leave him there with a message to "live a quiet life". It's un-Doctor-ish.

    However, there are some sweet little moments too. No much handporn, but it's still sweet nonetheless. Oh, and I also like his expression when Rose was telling Adam about where and when they were. He looked so proud of her! *grin*
    Arabian: Dr Who (Nine)arabian on August 24th, 2008 01:43 pm (UTC)
    Out of the whole S1, I find this episode as the least impressive episode. I don't hate it, but it's just, I find this episode is not as good as others.

    Honestly, I was almost expecting a bunch of responses telling me I was crazy for not getting how good this one was. I'm glad I'm so not in the minority here.

    After Dalek (complete with all the emotional thingy), this episode is quite, well, lame. Oh, and I also find that in this episode, RTD want to emphasize more on Adam's selfishness and his incapability to be The Doctor's companion and he finally was being 'dumped' back home.

    Lame is honestly the perfect word. It DOES have some cute Doctor/Rose moments, but there was too much focus on Adam as this one-dimensional character and the actor was unable to bring any depth to it.

    One scene that bother me so much is when The Doctor left Adam there, complete with the hole in his head, without giving it any second thought. I mean, he, out of all people, must know the danger of such futuristic technology, but yet, he just leave him there with a message to "live a quiet life". It's un-Doctor-ish.

    I KNOW!!!

    However, there are some sweet little moments too. No much handporn, but it's still sweet nonetheless. Oh, and I also like his expression when Rose was telling Adam about where and when they were. He looked so proud of her! *grin*

    Yes, the Doctor/Rose moments, at least, WERE adorable. At least, Rusty didn't let us down there.
    Nic: Doctor Rosejedinic on August 24th, 2008 08:16 pm (UTC)
    I'm pretty sure this was the second (or third?) episode I ever saw, and I actually liked Adam! I felt somewhat sorry for him by the end because I wanted him to stick around.

    Also, I think this is one of Rose's CUTEST OUTFITS EVER. (Or is that just me?)
    Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Impossible Planetarabian on August 25th, 2008 01:21 pm (UTC)
    Really? That's interesting coming from this perspective. Have you still maintained that liking him after watching all the episodes, or are you glad he left at the end now?

    It is a cute outfit; I wouldn't classify it as one her cutest, but don't look to me for fashion sense because I have none, LOL!