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29 June 2008 @ 05:29 am
"Doctor Who" somewhat spoilery-speculation for the season finale  
Some speculation about a spoiler for episode 4x13 that is based more on speculation of shots and behind the scenes stuff rather than an "actual" spoiler. (See, I meant it when I said I avoided real, genuine, legitimate spoilers. So unlike me.)

So the speccy-spoiler is that the Doctor, instead of actually regenerating into a different Doctor regenerates into TWO of the same Doctor (I know, two Tennants for the price of one!! Can the world handle so much sexy?!). Some spec has it that one of the Doctors has only one heartbeat and is essentially human, perhaps regenerating the non-Time Lord portion of the Doctor. And thus, Rose and the Doctor get a happy ending, because THAT Doctor and Rose can then go off to Pete's World and live happily ever after.

I'm okay with that, I guess, with all things considered in the pragmatic reality that we could simply get a happy ending no other way on this show. Well, I'm happy with it on a couple of conditions:

1. That it's clear that while he won't be time-space-traveling Doctor -- obviously not possible without the TARDIS, though how awesome would another TARDIS be which would allow the Doctor and Rose to do in Pete's World (Universe) what the Doctor does in this universe ... anyhoo, back to my point. That it's clear that while he won't be time-space-traveling Doctor, he'll still be THE Doctor and do Doctor-like stuff, but ... I don't even know if that would be possible without the TARDIS and Time-Lord aspect. Sigh.

2. That the other Doctor doesn't just forget Rose, but rather that he erases his own memories or whatever. I want the Doctor's love for Rose to not just be a part of him, but to be woven through all of him, and not just the non-Time-Lord part of him. Having another Doctor happy with Rose would be (a) too painful and yet (b) too fantastic for the Doctor WITHOUT Rose to contemplate, thus he erases those memories and/or feelings. That way, the show can carry on with the Doctor doing his thing, without being all owoeismemylostloveROSE!, and we can just carry on with the show, the Doctor moving on easily and completely without it being a betrayal of any kind of their great love story. And, damnit, theirs IS a great love story. (Plus, it would allow shippers everywhere to not want to string Moffat up by his fingernails when he, no doubt, ignores all of the Doctor-loves-Rose canon.)

I don't know. On one hand, it really would be the only way to provide a happy ending, but, but, but the Doctor without the TARDIS, without being a Time Lord is a part of why Rose fell in love with him, and why the Doctor fell for her -- because she got that he was a Time Lord, appreciated that, but loved the man, and her love of the traveling, adventure, saving the universe, etc.

So, yeah, I don't know. A whole other week to wait, huh? Yeah, this is gonna be torture. Plain and simple. Sigh.

ETA an excited thought, ... it is that the Doctor goes with Rose and the other stays here, and like afrocurlmentioned below he does Doctor-like stuff like the 3rd Doctor did and then, then they could have an episode lite for whoever the companion is in s5 and just show Doctor and Rose in the AU. Just a little treat. Whoah, getting waaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of myself, LOL!
 
 
 
lavender gooms: dw: universe in your eyesthe_spin on June 29th, 2008 03:07 pm (UTC)
The two Doctors theory, which is where I'm very convinced the show is going at this point, is like, MY IDEAL ending, though I don't want a human Doctor.

I fell in love with this rumor immediately; I'm almost finished a massive fic based on the idea, though it has very little to do with the actual finale since I started it two months ago.

The premise is just such an emotional goldmine: one Doctor trapped in time and space in the alt!Universe with Rose, and one free to go anywhere with his ship but without her. I love the idea of each of them lving their lives missing something and wondering, forever, what the other one's life is like. I mean, what a mindfuck, right? Another you, out there living the life you could have had. It's like Turn Left on an even more epic scale. Memory and regret and wonderings, forever.

For me New!Who has two love stories: The Doctor and Rose, and the Doctor and the TARDIS. So this plotline just ugh, gives me the good shivers. Make it happen, Uncle Rusty.
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Impossible Planetarabian on June 29th, 2008 03:17 pm (UTC)
Very, very true.

And you know while reading your comments I thought of the line in "Doomsday" when the Doctor tells Rose she can live the life he never can and there's regret in his voice. And we know that regret comes not from living that kind of life, but not being able to live that kind of life with her. After all, he wasn't gobsmacked, horrified, take your adjective of choice when the idea of it came up in "The Impossible Planet."

Rusty always knew that Rose was coming back, and so I think every line of that goodbye was very carefully scripted to hint at what may be to come. We'll know in a week.

Having our happy Doctor/Rose ending? Really, more than I could ever have imagined and if this is it, okay, then.

Edited at 2008-06-29 03:18 pm (UTC)
WeHo M.: DW - Travelerafrocurl on June 29th, 2008 04:55 pm (UTC)
I'm not a shipper, first and foremost. I just don't know if I'd want to see that much romance from a former companion.

However, the Doctor can stay on Earth and still do his Doctor thing. One of the older Doctors was stuck on Earth for years (helping UNIT) if I remember correctly (from my friend talking about it, I haven't watched those.)
Arabian: Dr Who (Ten)arabian on June 29th, 2008 05:02 pm (UTC)
Ah, see I'm shipper-girl all the way for the Doctor and Rose ... as, erm, you've no doubt picked up.

Good to know about the Doctor doing his thing, I hadn't known when I wrote that this morning that the 3rd Doctor stayed on the earth, and upon finding out, I didn't connect it to my own post, so thanks.
WeHo M.: DW - Huh?afrocurl on June 29th, 2008 11:06 pm (UTC)
I just heard some stuff about the finale, and you should email me to talk some more about this post.
Arabian: Dr Who (Ten)arabian on June 29th, 2008 11:31 pm (UTC)
No, it's okay, thank you, though. I don't want to be more spoiled than the vague stuff I am. I know that it kinda either go good or bad. But if it's bad, I expect bad like "Doomsday" which I loved. I'm enjoying not knowing much more than the bit I do.
lavender goomsthe_spin on June 30th, 2008 03:15 am (UTC)
I love those eps with the Doctor on Earth; that's part of the reason why I totally want these crazy-insane theories to be true, oh my god. LOVE THEM.
WeHo M.: VM - Spoiledafrocurl on June 30th, 2008 03:20 am (UTC)
Heh...how many spoilers do you want? I have them. Email me if you want.
chalcidicechalcidice on June 30th, 2008 01:25 am (UTC)
Although I am a true shipper at heart, I don't know if I can accpet one Doctor living with Rose while the other continues on his travel in this universe. I don't think Rose is selfish enough to do something like that, to take one Doctor away from his reality to Alt!Universe. There would have to be a major catch, like the Doctor has no memories of Rose and the fact that he split. Then, if it's a human Ten, is that really the person Rose fell in love with?!?! Oh, more questions than answers. As a Rose/Ten shipper I really hope we get some sort of happy ending - but I am not going to get my hopes up for them to be crushed.
Arabian: David Tennant_01arabian on June 30th, 2008 02:29 am (UTC)
Right. Exactly. I don't know what I want, I just hope that I'll be pleased with the narrative for the characters. Even if it's sad (like "Doomsday"), if it's true to the characters and their arc, I can deal.
chalcidice: too cutechalcidice on July 1st, 2008 03:26 am (UTC)
I am hoping that RTD stays true to the characters. Goodness, it terrifies me as Saturday approaches. I just have this feeling that the finale is going to be epic, well at least aiming for epic, which could end up leaving the viewers happy or devastated.
Arabian: Dr Who (9)arabian on July 1st, 2008 03:50 am (UTC)
I know, I know, I know. I'm dying here. And it's really hard for me because I now know that the spoilers are out there, and you don't know me, but I'm the HUGEST spoiler whore. LIKE HUGE!!! But I've only allowed myself vague spoilers that leave so much unknown with DW. And I'm trying desperately to hold out until next week. I can do this; I can do it!!!
chalcidice: good job!chalcidice on July 3rd, 2008 05:04 am (UTC)
I love spoilers. But I haven't found anything, but it could be because I'm not really looking hard enough. I do like being prepared, like knowing Rose was leaving in Doomsday, didn't crush me as badly as it could. But this time around, I wanted to be as spoiler free as possible. I've done a fairly good job of maintaining my ignorance. Then again, I think that has more to do with work then me attempting to really be spoiler free :P

Now it's only a little over 48 hours until Who airs which means I'll get to watch it in a little over 60 hours from now. This is very pathetic!
Arabian: World of Squee!arabian on July 3rd, 2008 09:36 am (UTC)
Well, I went looking after my first "live" showing (ep 9), but things were vague enough that while I have an idea about certain things, only a few definites. I'm actually doing pretty good. I think I'm concentrating so much on earlier episodes, fanfic, real life, etc. that I'm able to just not think on what's to come.

I know!! It's almost here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!