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25 June 2008 @ 11:35 pm
Doctor Who 1x01 "Rose" rewatch-review  
As I've stated elsewhere, once I finished series two of New Who, I was going to rewatch and review what I call my "Her Name was Rose" collection (click here for the full list of episodes). Right then, so I finished "Doomsday" last night, and rewatched "Rose" tonight ... so here are my thoughts on it. I may do this for all of the episodes, or just specific ones. It depends on my mood.

I remember first watching this one and not being, well, terribly impressed other than liking Christopher Eccleston. However, I already liked Eccleston -- mostly from Jude with Kate Winslet ... AMAZING film! -- so that didn't say much for the show itself. The thing was, though, that I'd read enough comments from my flist that I figured I'd give it a few more episodes to make up my mind. (Obviously, I decided to stick with the show ... eventually.) Watching again a month or so ago -- two years and a few months after I first watched it, I was so excited because I was now ADDICTED to Doctor Who, had such fond memories of Eccleston and his chemistry with Billie Piper that I was pretty much giddy while watching the whole thing. So, any quibbles I had were lost in my high level of squeee!! This time, I just watched it with a less fangirl-y/shipper-y point of view. And, unfortunately, I completely get why I was unimpressed the first time around. A few reasons why ...

- Living plastic? Really? Re-inventing, re-starting the entire Doctor Who franchise and Russell T Davies decided to go with living plastic? A glow-y, orange, mouthy blob thing of living plastic in a basement? Sigh.

- The deus ex machina at the end of Rose's gymnastic medal, something that is NEVER referred to again, it just ... yeah. Look, I get that we don't know Rose; she's a new character, and I did like the dialogue leading up to it ("No A-levels, no job, no future ..."), but still. It was clunky, it came out of nowhere and it just seemed like too easy of an out for the Doctor.

- Speaking of ... the Doctor was pretty much an idiot in this one, wasn't he? GAVE the plastic arm to Rose. Could not figure out for the life of him where the power source thing was despite Rose pointing it out, him looking at it not once, but TWICE. And completely useless (as Rose said) with the Nestene Consciousness. The Doctor shows so much more intelligence and brilliance in later episodes, there's no comparison. I know that we were supposed to get that Rose would make a great companion, but I think RTD went too far. That was clear in so many countless other scenes, ones that did NOT make the Doctor look like an idiot.

- I thought that Rose changing her mind because of the "it can travel in time" was not only too abrupt, but that her running into the TARDIS with the big smile, was over-the-top. And I'm a Doctor/Rose shipper. The moments before then when it was so clear that she very much wanted to go with were so beautifully written, directed and acted by all three (even if Noel Clarke's Mickey was fairly pathetic in the scene) that I was even more disappointed at how her acceptance of traveling with him was done. (Erm, scratch that. Read on.)

So, yes, there were negatives, and thus why I get the underwhelming-ness. However, there were still a lot of great things about it too and those are much more fun to write about.

To start with what I find positive now, but didn't when first watching, I'm gonna talk about Mickey. His introduction really did him no favors. He was fairly pathetic, and made to look buffoonish at moments. But watching this in hindsight, I think it was possibly a potentially deliberate angle on RTD's part should the show succeed. Because we saw a great arc with Mickey, despite his limited onscreen time, it was done in steps that made sense so that when he did become a hero, it played out believably. Of course, that could have been completely luck on RTD's part. It's likely it was more about who he was and his place in Rose's life. See it was quite, quite clear in ALL of Rose's interactions with him that while Mickey was her boyfriend, he didn't hold her heart, or her focus at all. He was just kinda there for her.

She's gone through a traumatic experience, and she doesn't call him, and when he shows up, it's clear she wants him gone. She goes to see him ... only to use his computer so she can find out information on the Doctor. He's replaced with living plastic and she doesn't even notice. It's only when he skips on terms of endearments that she notices something off. She does cry about his possible death, but she also forgets it almost as easily as the Doctor does in the midst of the mystery (to her) of the Nestene Consciousness. However, it didn't come across as selfish and self-involved to me -- although, I could see how it would to others, but rather just another sign that she was going through the motions in her life. This was her life, but she didn't care. Like the Doctor, at this point she was just going through the motions. They were both at a similar point in their lives (the Doctor blithely pointing out that he could die on the roof, simply not caring, just going through the motions of saving the world ... Hmm, anyone else suddenly start hearing "Going through the Motions" from the Buffy musical episode? Okay, just me). Ahem, the point is that Mickey was just part of that going through the motions. A nice enough bloke; she cared about him, but like everything else in her life, there was no passion there.

And Rose wanted more; she just didn't know what, or how to get that more. She was clearly itching for that something more, wanting to change, better herself even before the Doctor showed up. It was almost a throwaway line, and one that I missed the first time I watched it. When Jackie was trying to get her to get a job at the butcher's and Rose protested, Jackie commented that it would be good for her because she was starting to get "airs and graces" working at the shop. To me, it read that whether the Doctor had shown up or not, Rose would have found something, anything eventually to improve her lot in life. The Doctor just gave her the opportunity sooner rather than latter.

Which brings us to the Doctor ... ah, I do love Christopher Eccleston. He so beautifully and subtly captured the Doctor's pain that was just there under the surface. And when it came bubbling over -- his anguished cry to the Nestene Consciousness that it wasn't his fault, the destruction of its planet -- it was heartbreaking; he was heartbreaking. That catch in his voice, his expression. Oh, he's wonderful. And it was also wonderful how we saw Rose draw him out without him even realizing that she was doing so. That she kept popping up, and that she kept doing the smart thing (running when he said, figuring out a perfectly reasonable conclusion for the mannequins, listening to him, hitting the fire alarm and getting everyone out of the cafe, finding the power source and the box, etc.) ... every step of the way you could sense him becoming more and more intrigued with the idea of this young girl and how she kept doing the right thing. Figuring stuff out, understanding what was going on. On top of all of that, we had those great moments of vulnerability first in the TARDIS when he told her he was an alien, and then when he asked her to travel with him. It was just there in the edge of his voice, a look in his eyes, a tightness in his frame. Such a great actor. I do love David Tennant's Doctor, but I'll always mourn that we didn't get at least one more series with Eccleston.

And part of that mourning would come into play because I would have loved to have seen the Doctor's relationship with Rose blossom with Eccleston in the role simply because as great as the chemistry is between Tennant and Piper (and they DO have great chemistry), I still believe that it's just that more electric between Eccleston and Piper, I don't care if he's got almost twenty years on her, LOL! When he first takes her hand; when she pulls him into her flat; when he talks to her about the earth spinning and takes her hand again; when he tells her he's an alien; the looks they share as he's being held by the plastic men; again, the looks they share when he's asking her to travel with him .... There was just this connection, this rightness between them. They just ... fit. And it was an immediate chemistry that made it so believable as to why the Doctor would ask her to join him ... on an emotional level because of that instinctive rightness.

I use that phrase because his reasons for asking both Martha and Donna were so very different. There was nothing about them being right together, in my opinion. With Martha it was because he'd taken Donna's words to heart in "The Runaway Bride" -- that he needed someone to stop him -- and Martha had, intellectually, proven that she had the goods to travel with him. She asked the right questions, had the right attitude. And that is what it was about. It was about how she would make a good traveling companion, not about how she would make a good traveling companion for him. As for Donna ... well, he knew that she had just saved him from making a mistake that would haunt his soul and he simply did NOT want to be alone after losing Rose. I think he also wanted, needed the antithesis of Rose, which is what Donna appeared to be in TRB. And, of course, when she did start traveling with him ... well, it wasn't his decision at that point. Donna simply made it for him and he went along because he'd learned that it was best not to travel alone, and well, alright. Donna didn't really give him much choice. Oh, Donna, how I love you so.

So, again, with Martha it was about her being the right kind of traveling companion. With Donna, it was (initially) about his needing a buffer, anyone would have done, for the pain, and then him being right for her. However with Rose, it was about her being right for him. And I felt and believed that because of the chemistry and connection between Eccleston and Piper.

Which was a big part of my two favorite scenes ... The first I mentioned briefly above was when the Doctor was talking to her about feeling the earth spin. I loved how he took her hand (close-up! hand-porn!) and talked in that voice, their eyes connecting, Rose aborbing what he was saying, fascinated and mildly horrified at the same time at how he described it, and then the hand dropping, his final words and walking away. While she watched him. So, so good and it wouldn't have held such power did the two actors not connect so quickly, so completely, so believably on-screen. See for yourself.

(Download the scene for better quality, or watch it here via youtube.)


The second was the best part of that final scene. I mentioned above how much I loved the writing, direction and acting of it. And I really did. I felt the tension between them arcing across the distance between, the vulnerability from the Doctor, the wanting in Rose's eyes, in her voice. And then there was Mickey, her responsibility, a reminder of the people who depended on her and that alone was a lovely point showing that Rose is not selfish :: and OHMYGOD! I'm an idiot!! I just got the why of the "time travel" line and why it worked. I. am. a. moron. ::

Right, Rose is NOT selfish. She couldn't leave Mickey and her mum because she was important to them and to just swan off like that would be irresponsible and selfish. And then the Doctor came back and told her "Did I mention it also travels in time?" And that was it! That was her escape route ... she could go anywhere, face that exciting danger again everywhere with this man who was already occupying so much of her thoughts -- Rose's comment to PlasticMickey in the cafe about it not being about the Doctor as a "him" was another throwaway line that she'd been talking about the Doctor pretty non-stop to Mickey -- but because it was a time machine, she could always come back without Mickey or her mum missing her.

Okay, idiocy resolved. I get it now. (Only took watching it three times, and writing an insanely-long review about the episode.) Okay, going back to my comment above about the tension in those moments between the Doctor and Rose when he's inviting her to come with him, honestly, these two just have such incredible chemistry and it's vividly in display here. See for yourself.

(Download the scene for better quality, or watch it here via youtube.)


Lastly, a word or two about Billie Piper. I did not appreciate her the first time I watched series one. I did through series two, and upon rewatch of series one the first time, I appreciated her even more. She really did an excellent job from the get go. So believable, so warm and real, sharp and selling so much of who Rose is in this one introductory episode. Despite her youth and acting inexperience in comparison, she was a great match for the extraordinary Eccleston.

Random thoughts ...

- A small scene (32 seconds long), but I loved, loved the catflap/knock on Rose scene. Check it out (either download for better quality or watch embedded below:


- Jackie was pretty annoying. But I DID love the fact that her first reaction to the Doctor was coming on to him. And his response? Cracks my shit up every time.

- I liked Clive; I really did. Damn you, RTD, for killing him off.

- I loved the little quick cliffnotes versions of some of the Doctor's alien-ness. Looking at the tabloid: "He's an alien and she's gay." Flipping though a book quickly, "sad ending." Etc. Hee!

- Finally, handporn! Time: For "Rose" we have two hand-close-ups, and a third medium-shot of their hands while running.

The first, the much-beloved "Run." Ah, the one that started it all ...



Then the beautiful "the earth spinning" hand-hold. Pure poetry, not just in the words, but how the hand-hold becomes a part of the Doctor's imagery.



And, lastly, a medium-shot of the two running, the Doctor grabs her hand and they don't let go (even though, really, it probably would have made the run easier had they, but the Doctor and Rose just can't say no to handporn!, even when they barely knew each other).







Phew! Okay, so that's my first one. I dunno if I'll do this for all of them. We'll see. It may depend on response, or my own obsession. Who knows? LOL!

Okay, if you're read through all of my rambling, as a treat, head on over to this "Rose" picspam by fid_gin which captures many of the moments I talked about above. And it's pretty dang fantastic picspam just on its own. So go.

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    Sylvike: Pizarro toy theatrefishsanwitt on June 26th, 2008 05:08 am (UTC)
    I *loved* this post! I truly hope you do more.
    Arabian: Dr Who (9)arabian on June 26th, 2008 05:20 am (UTC)
    Aww, thank you. Well, I didn't expect to do a write-up for this, but found things to think on while watching and then sat down to write a review and an hour and 20 minutes past my bedtime, I finally finished it. So, uhm, yeah, as long as this obsession has me in its grip (and it REALLY has me!!!), I likely will. LOL!
    WeHo M.: Le Petite Princeafrocurl on June 26th, 2008 05:17 am (UTC)
    I haven't rewatched the first series since I go through the rest of it (oh man, January and the strike were good for something), but I never got the shipping in Who when I started.

    Sure, I knew it existed from my flist, but the person who finally got me to watch it is not a shipper. That's the easiest way for me to describe how I came into the show. He also dislikes Rose, which may have put a weird spin on the first two series.

    That said, I never argue with well-reasoned discussion of the show. I'm generally a ball of "OMG!" after episodes.
    Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Impossible Planetarabian on June 26th, 2008 05:22 am (UTC)
    While I recognized their chemistry, and liked the idea of Doctor/Rose, I didn't ship ship them when I first watched season one. I think I was too into Logan/Veronica and VM at the time to do so. It wasn't until I watched the second season (two years later, oy!) that I started to ship them. And then I rewatched season one the first time, and man, I was just goooooooooooone. Totally gone.

    As my numerous Doctor Who posts have, no doubt, made clear. :P
    Cailetcailetls on June 26th, 2008 12:15 pm (UTC)
    I recently began a rewatch of season 1 also, and you hit so many of my thoughts right on the head! The plastic dummies (and plastic Mickey) were just embarrassing- but you had these AMAZING sparks flying between two insanely charming people. Which was why Ikept watching, initially at least. Long shippy treatises keep my inner fangirl happy, so please continue.
    Arabian: Dr Who (9)arabian on June 26th, 2008 01:24 pm (UTC)
    Well, I had fun writing this one up, so I'll likely hit more episodes and write them up. I'm not sure when I'll do the next one. I could do it on Saturday, but well, that one will be pretty much blocked with anxiety and everything else under the sun about the new episode. So, I'll see.

    Thanks for responding, and I'm glad to see that someone else saw a lot of what I saw too. :)
    sowellsowell on June 26th, 2008 01:20 pm (UTC)
    I love your Who thoughts, especially since I share your passion for the Nine/Rose pairing. Must go re-watch S1.

    Damn, no Who icons.
    Arabian: Dr Whoarabian on June 26th, 2008 01:25 pm (UTC)
    Don't get me wrong, I'm passionate about Ten/Rose too. I'm so against re-casting, but because of how they built it into the show's fabric, I have no problem seeing both Nine and Ten as the Doctor and thus the man that Rose loves and whom loves Rose. It's just that Nine was the first with Rose, and, as I said, she and Eccleston have that touch more chemistry, in my opinion.
    sowellsowell on June 26th, 2008 01:47 pm (UTC)
    Ten/Rose grew on me as well - by Doomsday I was sold. But like you, I find something special in the type of chemistry that Eccleston and Piper had right from the start.
    Arabian: Mr. and Mrs. Coacharabian on June 26th, 2008 01:48 pm (UTC)
    Yeah, just yeah. (And hey, if you don't feel like making your own and like them, feel free to use any of my Who icons.)
    eolivet on June 26th, 2008 03:49 pm (UTC)
    There was just this connection, this rightness between them. They just ... fit. And it was an immediate chemistry that made it so believable as to why the Doctor would ask her to join him

    Sigh...yes, yes, yes. :D And it's interesting...obviously, the Doctor is not consciously looking for another Companion, but he keeps getting drawn back to Rose (and she drawn back to him) -- they try to abandon each other, and circumstances keep throwing them together. (sigh, and that little hesitation on "You could...come with me." I mean, he's the freaking Doctor and he's, dare I say, nervous around this girl? She totally brings out his vulnerability -- as I'm sure you'll get into with EotW. :)

    But you brought up the alien scene, which I adore. His tone when he answers her question...direct, but soft. And then "Is that all right?" "Yeah." Like, she doesn't even think twice. Sigh. :)

    I agree with you in how silly the plot is (and my sister complained A LOT about it when I showed it to her), but I think you need a big, dumb plot, so you can focus on the characters. I actually think it's one of the best first eps/Pilots I've ever seen, in terms of character introduction. The plot is so stupid, you have to focus on the characters.

    (and aww, I like the Doctor's silly, stupid moments -- Nine was always so goofy and kinda manic that it seemed in character for me. :p )

    Sigh... and the beginning of "Fantastic!" :)

    I can't wait for more of these reviews -- Nine/Rose is loooove, and it's so much fun to relive through your posts. :D
    Arabian: Dr Whoarabian on June 26th, 2008 11:21 pm (UTC)
    Obviously, I agree with everything you said here ... but for it being one of the better first episodes. Yes, it was good from a character point of view, but we KNOW that RTD could have done better with the plot. A better plot would have enhanced the character stuff, I think.

    I'll probably do these reviews once or twice a week, with possibly more frequency on the weekends once the season is over.
    nina_dS: DW Nine and Rose EOTWnina_ds on June 26th, 2008 04:32 pm (UTC)
    Hi, here via time_and_chips

    I remember watching "Rose" the first time, and I expected the cheesiness (I remembered the old school stuff from PBS), but what blew me away and completely hooked me was the chemistry between Eccleston and Piper. I knew he'd be good - he always is, even when asked to do stupid things (okay, I did have a moment where I thought, "That's Christopher Eccleston. Wrestling with a plastic arm."). I was impressed by the subtlety of her performance, the little bits of business that were so natural and unaffected. But even more astonishing than that was the chemistry, which was so innocent and easy and yet so intensely sexual. The awareness of their bodies toward each other is unlike anything I've ever seen; they remind me of Bogart and Bacall, but it's even more complex than that.

    But I'm also one of those that can put up with anything if the characters work for me, and Nine and Rose worked like gangbusters.

    I'd love to see your comments on all of S1 - which is still far and away my favourite. ::enables::
    Arabian: Dr Who (9)arabian on June 26th, 2008 11:23 pm (UTC)
    Yes, for me it's all about the characters!!! If I can buy the characters and what and why they're doing things, I'll ride through it. That's why even with the silly plot and some of the stupid Doctor stuff, I still was happy to stick with it because of the wonderful stuff we DID get with the characters.

    I adore S2, but yeah, S1 is still my favorite. S2 just had an episode or two too many that were just not that good for one reason or another.
    sammie28 on June 26th, 2008 05:29 pm (UTC)
    Lurker on Time and Chips popping out...I love detailed analyses of episodes, and I enjoyed reading yours! (You'll do one for each episode, I hope!) I'm with you on the Autons - not that scary, and the quivering bowl of glowing Jello pudding was even less scary than the Autons. What I did like about the Autons was the use of a classic Who villain without using heavies like Daleks and Cybermen. It tied classic Who to new Who (especially since there was no regeneration scene) without having to delve too deeply into the mythology of the show.

    I'm with you on the London Eye/transmitter thing. Having Rose point it out is fine (since the Doctor's back is to it), but seeing it twice and not getting it...?

    And I'm definitely with you on Eccleston and Piper. When I got into Doctor Who, Tennant was Ten already, so he's kind of "my Doctor" in that sense; and I do feel Tennant is more in the line of manic and goofy Doctors (OK, Tom Baker!) than Eccleston had been. But I felt the Nine/Rose vibe more. When he looked at her, or scenes in which one of them was emotionally vulnerable, were just fantastic. And the levels of energy seemed better matched...some days it's exhausting just watching Ten dance across the screen!
    Arabian: David & Billie Dancingarabian on June 26th, 2008 11:28 pm (UTC)
    Nice to see you popping out (and AWWW, your icon!!).

    Clearly we're in agreement on this episode, LOL! A lot.

    I do feel Tennant is more in the line of manic and goofy Doctors (OK, Tom Baker!) than Eccleston had been

    I think that was so such a deliberate choice on Eccleston's (and possibly RTD's) part. The Doctor that he was playing was the first Doctor we saw after the Time War, therefore, he couldn't be the happy, manic, goofy Doctor that most associated with the role. Based on enough moments, clearly Eccleston was capable of delivering that kind of Doctor. I just don't believe he was supposed to; he was supposed to give that under layer of grief and gravitas because of the Time War.

    When he looked at her, or scenes in which one of them was emotionally vulnerable, were just fantastic. And the levels of energy seemed better matched...

    Again, I think that Piper and Tennant are FABULOUS together and do have a fine, fine chemistry. It's just that Eccleston and Piper had that something more and I still don't know -- as I talked about in this loooooooooooong rambling post about Who -- that Rose/Ten would have worked as they did without what Eccleston and Piper created in S1.

    some days it's exhausting just watching Ten dance across the screen!

    God, yes, LOL! But I wouldn't have him any other way.
    Jeeta: radiantdemurediablo on June 26th, 2008 06:22 pm (UTC)
    I love that you've done this review. Most people I know do not want to sit down and discuss, at length, the implications of the show or nuances of characterisation. We are, essentially spending a lot of time talking about people who don't exist. This bothers me little. I hope you don't mind if I give you a reaaaally long response.

    I had the same impression of 'Rose' when I watched it, I wasn't too impressed. I didn't understand why it had gotten rave reviews.
    I found the Doctor's stupidity a little endearing, actually, because he is such a dork about it and it is actually not a bad representation of who the Doctor is (in hindsight). He speaks with authority about the Shadow Proclamation, he knows exactly what he's doing - even if he's a bit thick otherwise - until his emotional issues about the Time War cripple him. <---Doctor in a capsule.

    Somehow Rose didn't hit the right chords with me, and it was only upon rewatching the show after I'd come to love her that I appreciated her good qualities in 'Rose'. Perhaps it was because we were new to her, so I was abivalent, and when it came time to prove herself in consequent episodes, she fought with the Doctor, activated a Dalek, and didn't think of Mickey when she came back after being missing for a year...

    I agree that she's going through the motions. Jumping a bit (I promise it's linked) I still believe she is selfish. She basically tells Mickey 'thanks for nothing' before swanning off with an alien in a blue box who has so far antagonised her and evaded her questions. She just doesn't think of him, not when she returns, or at any visible point in an adventure. And yet, I believe her when she says that she missed Mickey and as we watch through the second season, I believe that she loves him (and now, we're back to what the first sentence of this paragraph was about!) It's just that Mickey's been with her forever, it's just natural to take advantage. It's okay if she's selfish in the sense that she's nineteen, with a lot to learn, and she simply does not realise how her actions might be taken. When she's compassionate and brave and so on, the flaw becomes more acceptable.

    About the difference in his reasoning for inviting Martha and Donna along... I didn't feel the same electrifying connection between the Doctor and Rose. Perhaps that's why the episode didn't impress me so much. As I mentioned, what with his emotional retardation and other issues and Rose being assertive, they clash a lot. But when the Doctor asks her along, I felt it was, in a way, like your proposed reasoning with Martha. She made all the right moves and noises and the Doctor just needed someone. But with Rose, I felt it grew to be about them being right for each other, best mates (and in my mind, romantically as well). With Martha, she was also amazing and yet, to me, she remained in the capacity of good companion but I didn't see any romance there at all. Donna, yes, well, Donna...the English language may just stop short of being able to cover Donna. ♥

    One more season of Eccleston as Nine, my kingdom for one more season of Nine.

    Interesting, I did not interpret the Time Travel line as 'oh, so that means I can leave and Mum and Mickey won't worry'. I saw it more as an added plus point, London hopper vs. TARDIS, glorified taxi driver vs. the Doctor, etc. I think of it as her chance at adventure with someone who just saved the world, and she's not about to let it get away a second time.
    Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Impossible Planetarabian on June 26th, 2008 11:37 pm (UTC)
    Oooh, I love long, rambling posts!! :D

    I found the Doctor's stupidity a little endearing, actually, because he is such a dork about it and it is actually not a bad representation of who the Doctor is (in hindsight). He speaks with authority about the Shadow Proclamation, he knows exactly what he's doing - even if he's a bit thick otherwise - until his emotional issues about the Time War cripple him. <---Doctor in a capsule.

    I agree with this, and could buy this for all of the stupid moments ... but for one. The not figuring out the power source. Had he picked up on it when he first turned around after a moment or so, alright. But looked at it twice and STILL didn't get it!!?? That was just overkill.

    I agree that she's going through the motions. Jumping a bit (I promise it's linked) I still believe she is selfish.

    Okay, I agree completely. Part of my looooooooooong rambling post on Who, including the companions talked about Rose's selfishness. You won't get argument from me. But as you state later, all of the good balances it out. So basically we agree completely, LOL!

    About the difference in his reasoning for inviting Martha and Donna along... I didn't feel the same electrifying connection between the Doctor and Rose. Perhaps that's why the episode didn't impress me so much.

    That could be it. I so felt that connection.

    But when the Doctor asks her along, I felt it was, in a way, like your proposed reasoning with Martha. She made all the right moves and noises and the Doctor just needed someone.

    Ah, see I don't see it that way because like eolivet said above, I don't think the Doctor was LOOKING for a companion, whereas he WAS when he met up with Martha. Yes, Rose did all of the right things, but I just felt that he knew instinctively that he needed this girl. That connection was just there from the get-go, in my opinion.

    Donna, yes, well, Donna...the English language may just stop short of being able to cover Donna. ♥

    If you do go and read my looooooong, rambling post I linked to above, I think you'll like and agree with what I say about Donna. :D

    One more season of Eccleston as Nine, my kingdom for one more season of Nine.

    God, I KNOW!!!! If I could have two DW wishes that didn't have to take into account anything but my wants it would be: A second season of Nine and Rose (along with a third of Ten/Rose as we got, of course); and then Ten/Rose and Donna traveling the universe together. That would be perfection.

    Interesting, I did not interpret the Time Travel line as 'oh, so that means I can leave and Mum and Mickey won't worry'. I saw it more as an added plus point, London hopper vs. TARDIS, glorified taxi driver vs. the Doctor, etc. I think of it as her chance at adventure with someone who just saved the world, and she's not about to let it get away a second time.

    And thinking of it that way is why it didn't work because as presented it was just too abrupt, too soon for Rose to jump from "No, I can't. I have responsibilities," to three seconds later, "Okay, sod the responsibilities, let's GO!!!!" So, my realization that it was the knowledge that she could sod off the responsibilities, but not really because she could always come back bears that in mind. In fact, that is further proven by the fact that the Doctor plans to return her specifically in 12 hours in the next episode. It was about her getting the freedom to travel without worrying about Mickey and her mum "losing time" with her. Anyhoo, that's how it works for me.

    Edited at 2008-06-26 11:37 pm (UTC)
    katzambonikatzamboni on June 26th, 2008 09:00 pm (UTC)
    This was wonderful! Please do more!
    Arabian: Dr Who (Ten)arabian on June 26th, 2008 11:38 pm (UTC)
    Thank you. As I said above, I'll probably do one or two a week, with a bit more on the weekends once the season is over. :D
    dominique012 on June 27th, 2008 10:32 am (UTC)
    Great review.
    I also loved the chemistry between BP and CE. I loved seeing the beginning of Rose's r'ship with the Doctor. I didn't think much of Mickey at all, from this episode, but I like that idea of it being deliberate - a realistic way for him to gradually become a hero. (I also thought it was strange/hilarious that she didn't notice plastic!Mickey for so long!)I agree with you - he seemed not to have a hold on her, she was longing for something more. I thought it was a great episode. And I enjoyed reading your post! :)
    Arabian: Dr Who (9)arabian on June 27th, 2008 07:17 pm (UTC)
    Thank you for your comments!!!

    she was longing for something more

    Yup, I think that sums up Rose completely in one line.
    chalcidicechalcidice on July 3rd, 2008 04:48 am (UTC)
    The start of the New!Who series was very interesting. I remember watching Colin Baker when I was young, so when I first watched 'Rose' I was acutally impressed because of the differences seen in the characterisation of the Doctor and the way they presented the Doctor as a time traveller/Time Lord. That being said, I think my first impressions had more to do being impressed by funding, now reflecting back on the episode I can understand and see how it wasn't a great start to the season. I honestly believe that one of the reasons Rose was not as well received by "some" Whovians is because of this first episode, how she was portrayed as selfish and ditzy (which doesn't seem to be the appropriate word but fits to a degree). I honestly feel that the majority of openning episodes introducing new companions are quite weak and to an extent boring, the exception being Partners in Crime since we already met Donna.

    My shipper heart really did pull for Rose and the Doctor until I saw this clip on Youtube from the Doctor Who Confidential, which is no longer on youtube, which is very sad because it created a monster in me. Christopher Eccleston basically says that the story between Rose and the Doctor becomes and develops into a true romance, although Who is science fiction there is this undertone throughout the entire series and it is played beautifully by both Christopher and Billie. I'll be honest Nine was my Doctor for a very long time and took a second watch of S2 before I really accepted Ten. I would have loved for Christopher to do another series but I am happy that he was our first Doctor for New!Who.

    Okay, I was completely rambling and I don't think any of it had connected to your review of the episode. I do love your reviews, gives me another reason to rewatch the episode :D
    Arabian: Christopher Eccleston_01arabian on July 3rd, 2008 11:42 pm (UTC)
    Oh, I agree completely. I had read a line from Chris where he said it was a love story, but never that much in depth. Awww. Yeah, one season wasn't enough, but at least we HAD that one season. I really, honestly don't believe we would have had Rose/Doctor as we do had it not been for what Christopher Eccleston and Billie Piper created on screen. I love the Tennant now, and the Tennant/Piper chemistry, but it doesn't compare to what Eccleston and Piper had. It just doesn't. The memory of what those two created in season one is what gave us the glory of the Rose/Doctor more overt romance in season two.

    Rambling is good, it's fun to read, and I'm glad you enjoyed the write-up.
    chalcidice: sadchalcidice on July 7th, 2008 04:09 pm (UTC)
    They were the reason I started shipping the Doctor/Rose. There was something so sweet and innocent about there love. The Doctor really needed Rose, and Rose needed the Doctor, it was just a beautiful story. I honestly don't think anything can compare to series one. Although, I love Tennant, there is just something about series one that is sacred!
    Arabian: Christopher Eccleston_02arabian on January 3rd, 2009 01:22 pm (UTC)
    Agreed. And some may call this blasphemous, but I honestly don't believe that Who or the Doctor/Rose relationship would have succeeded/evolved as it did were it Tennant from series one on. I really think it was what ECCLESTON and Piper created that did that. I truly do.
    chalcidicechalcidice on January 4th, 2009 06:26 pm (UTC)
    The way Eccleston played their relationship was just perfect. I think it's time for series one rewatches!
    pncwhopncwho on November 14th, 2008 12:40 am (UTC)
    Living plastic? Really? Re-inventing, re-starting the entire Doctor Who franchise and Russell T. Davies decided to go with living plastic?


    The first time I saw this episode, and first saw the mannequins, I said, "I bet it's the Autons." Having seen most of Classic Who, I remembered the Autons from the Pertwee years.

    I do love David Tennant's Doctor, but I'll always mourn that we didn't get at least one more season with Eccleston. And part of that mourning would come into play because I would have loved to have seen the Doctor's relationship with Rose blossom with Eccleston in the role simply because as great as the chemistry is between Tennant and Piper (and they DO have great chemistry), I still believe that it's just that more electric between Eccleston and Piper


    I agree completely! David and Billie have good chemistry, but Chris and Billie had excellent chemistry. You could practically feel it. I would've loved to have seen one more series of the Ninth Doctor, would like to have seen how he handled Series Two. For starters, he would've stopped the Sycorax a lot more quickly (and I doubt he would've lost his hand). Second, there's no way Nine would've succumbed to the "charms" of Madame de PompousWhore (but that a whole other rant altogether).

    Hm, that would make an interesting AU story...
    Arabian: Dr Whoarabian on November 18th, 2008 12:19 am (UTC)
    The first time I saw this episode, and first saw the mannequins, I said, "I bet it's the Autons." Having seen most of Classic Who, I remembered the Autons from the Pertwee years.

    I know now that they are the Autons, but not having any idea, I was VERY unimpressed with the choice of bad guy. And that was my point, they were trying to not only lure fans of Classic Who back, but get new viewers. The silly villains almost turned me off of watching (it was only my love of Christopher Eccleston that kept me), but it DID stop my friend from watching. I just think that for the first outing of new Who, he should have chosen a baddie from the past who wouldn't have seemed so ludicrous to newcomers who had no past association.

    I agree completely! David and Billie have good chemistry, but Chris and Billie had excellent chemistry. You could practically feel it. I would've loved to have seen one more series of the Ninth Doctor, would like to have seen how he handled Series Two.

    It's nice to read that I'm really not the only Doctor/Rose fan who feels this way. I know others prefer Nine to Ten, but most don't seem to see the chemistry as that much better (if better at all) between Eccleston and Piper as opposed to Tennant and Piper.