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25 May 2007 @ 09:17 am
Why I am Surprisingly Content with the VM Finale ...  
I watched all of the Logan scenes (well, I skipped a few Logan/Parker scenes) in the final five, including the finale, and while not ecstatically thrilled, I'm pretty durn content with how the show ended in terms of Logan/Veronica.

Gasp! Why? Again, of course, I wasn't happy with the ending. Rob Thomas could have done Veronica/Shithead, Logan/Parker dating over 16/18 even 19, done the fooling around tape in 19, had the ending with them in 20 being the 19 ending and given some closure in 20 (a reverse Logan/Parker break-up scene between Veronica and Shithead with him breaking up with her because she's still in love with Logan would have been awesome). Oh, hell, Shithead could never have existed period. But, considering what I was expecting: No hope, no nothing, no realization from Veronica EVER that SHE belongs with the bad boy because they see the same things the same way. (Like in their fight scene when Logan said "that's how we are." He said "we.") But, glory be, we got that. We got that realization, so I'm very content.

Furthermore, now I do believe that the "I'm a lover, not a fighter" in Welcome Wagon (3.01) and the "I think I do" in knowing what she wants in Show Me the Monkey (3.10) was all about Logan. Yes, after the final five spoilers came out, many of us believed that instead they were neon signs that Veronica is meant to be with Shithead, but after the last two food court scenes, I think it is clear that they were, in fact, about Logan. (And telling that all four took place in the food court.) Veronica said "I think I do" because at that point she still wasn't sure about Logan, the tantalizing idea of a "good guy" was always there in the background for her. Well, these two episodes showed her, the same way that Veronica 1.0 (who was with the "good guy") would have been horrified by the actions of Logan in the food court, this Veronica was turned on by them and, no doubt, the good guy was horrified by her reaction.

She's NOT that girl who belongs with the "good guy" anymore and I finally, finally, FINALLY saw that realization on Veronica's face in that final scene (something I've been waiting for since early season two). Think back to WW and the fight scene, where did Logan get the tool to fight? From Veronica. Veronica 1.0 would have been horrified by Logan going after that guy with a taser, but Veronica 1.0 never would have owned a taser, yet alone calmly handed it to her boyfriend to do with what he (and she) felt was needed. So all along, the seeds HAVE been lain (not very well, I admit) that Logan IS the one for her; she just needed to realize it. Yes, they've been cramming the Logan is a bad boy, Shithead is a good guy down our throats, but I think the reason was made clear in this final episode ... because Veronica BELONGS with the bad boy: Logan. Shithead expecting her to walk away from insults, not fighting on her behalf, followed a few scenes later (in the same locale) by Logan knowing there HAD to be a reason she wasn't standing up for herself to Gory, to beating the crap out of the guy for her because she couldn't do it was the FLASHING, NEON-IN-YOUR-FACE sign that Veronica has desperately needed and by golly!, she finally saw it. And she got it. Halleluja!

I'm not saying this couldn't have been done so much better and that the Veronica/Shithead stuff couldn't have been downplayed, but I did actually clearly see the arc -- good for L/V -- that I think Thomas intended. It was just (yet again) the exposition that bit. I wrote a long post here about what I thought the point of Logan/Parker and Veronica/Shithead was and while my version was more clear and dealt with some more issues that weren't even remotely touched, essentially I do think I got it right in that they both needed to try another relationship to see why they, Logan and Veronica, DO work, so I'm not going to complain. And I'm not going to even complain that we don't get follow-through because I'm sure Rob would have once again mucked it all up were he given the chance. This way it ended with Veronica realizing the "good guy" wasn't for her. The bad boy is the one who gets her and gets TO her. Logan knows exactly where he stands and sure damn as all hell seems happy with that knowledge for the first time in a long time. And since we'll have nothing future to contradict it, I can happily believe -- because the set-up was finally, FINALLY, there for her to reject the good guy and embrace the bad boy -- that Veronica finally got it and that she and Logan would go from there, finally doing it right this time. And we'll have no fourth-season canon full of twists and gotcha's to take it away.

Sure in the past, Veronica's epiphanies haven't stuck, but we rarely have gotten the NEON IN YOUR FACE kind that she got in this episode, and more importantly, we, the viewers can MAKE it stick because Rob can't undo it this time. The show is over. So, for this viewer, that final scene with she and Logan was a more than wide-enough-door open to make it very believable that from here ... IT STICKS and good!
 
 
 
harper47harper47 on May 25th, 2007 01:36 pm (UTC)
I just wrote an entry that I think I'm going to be okay with the final five and your entry just confirmed it. I'm still glad I waited to watch this all in a row because I think it will be better that way. I'm happy that we got what we did.
Arabian: Straddling the Railarabian on May 25th, 2007 01:56 pm (UTC)
Well, I do admit freely that it helped that I didn't watch any of the Veronica/Shithead stuff. And I tell ya, going three months without seeing Shithead/Chris Lowell and then seeing the little bit of him I did. Man, I just find him so unattractive. I'm sure he's a lovely person, but just ugh. And his voice, his mannerisms, everything just make me want to break my TV. But basically, not having to actually watch him/them, helped my frame of mind considerably.

But, yeah, considering what I THOUGHT we were going to get, I was pleasantly surprised.
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Arabian: What's not to Love? (Logan)arabian on May 25th, 2007 03:59 pm (UTC)
Absolutely, 1000% times over by 100,000,000% times over 1,000,000,000% yes! If I and many others had not had the forewarning of all of the Veronica/Shithead stuff, this would have been beyond unbearable. Seriously. It's only because I expected NOTHING (thanks to your spoilers, which didn't tell the whole story because of how the direction/acting played it out) that I am able to be at peace with that open door we did get. Had I not been spoiled, I would have been so pissed off at all the V/Shithead stuff and that it didn't end with Logan and Veronica definitively together. By being spoiled, I was able to digest the bad, and get the anger, frustration, whatnot out of the way and deal with it so that I could contentedly accept what we did get.
Mia: Momentary Thingmusing_mia on May 25th, 2007 03:59 pm (UTC)
Yes. Regardless of how apathetic I feel, if I had watched any of S3 without knowing what I know now, I would have tossed my TV out the back door. If I had watched those final eps, not knowing about the silliness of L/P and V/Piz, I know I would have had an ugly meltdown. So for me, I was grateful. It's better to be prepared than not.
Arabian: First Kissarabian on May 25th, 2007 04:06 pm (UTC)
Right, when you don't trust the writers (as harper47 said in a recent post), you need the spoilers. When it comes to bad writers, like the boy scouts, we must be prepared.
hiddeneloisehiddeneloise on May 25th, 2007 04:53 pm (UTC)
Sorry to but in. :) For me, personally, it's a "hell, yeah!" I'm glad I was spoiled. I'm glad I thought the worst. I can't imagine the frustration and pain I would have felt if I were seeing the final 5 unfold without being ready for it.

Here's the thing: while, after seeing the ending, the intent of all that's transpired is pretty clear, the execution of it was so heavy-handed, there was no way to interpret the partial scripts in any other way but as horrible and hopeless. There was a point to it in the end. But I am so glad I assumed and expected the worst (and, seriously, even without the spoilers and knowing that RT can turn things on a dime for whatever reason), because in the end I was pleasantly surprise, as opposed to feeling frustration at the lack of explicitly voiced emotional exposition (which the show doesn't do, no matter what).

So, for me, personally, I am grateful.
harper47harper47 on May 25th, 2007 05:13 pm (UTC)
I agree Wendy. This stuff falls into Spike dying/Christopher marriage stuff for me. Things that are going to hit and hit hard. They are far easier endured with a little forewarning.
p2880 on May 25th, 2007 06:54 pm (UTC)
I never read spoilers until these last five episodes. I fully believed that my agonizing prior to the episodes would just prolong and magnify the torture ala the previews at the beginning of the season trumpeting the VL breakup for 4/5 episodes prior to it happening. But I truly believe without that knowing what was to happen is the only way I could have viewed the end of LV as optimistic instead of being totally crushed. So--thank you from the bottom of my heart!
nessaassen: Pamnessaassen on May 25th, 2007 07:17 pm (UTC)
I just want to chime in here. Wendy, you did the right thing, absolutely. I'm incredibly thankful that you braced us for what was coming. I really think that part of my ability to construct a reading of the series ending that I can live with comes from the knowledge of how much worse it could have played out (as written in script, even).

(Also, have I watched a single Piz/Veronica scene since 3.15, with the exception of the final episode? No. And that's because I knew when they were coming, thanks to you. Saving the hearts of shippers everywhere--you're still the best at your job. My fandom hero, for sure.)

And arabian, I'm so glad you ended up at peace with how things ended. You've put so much love into this couple--I'm so glad RT didn't ruin that for you after all.
tlace on May 25th, 2007 04:33 pm (UTC)
This is EXCELLENT!! I agree with EVERYTHING you said and I watched EVERY SINGLE SECOND!! I may link your post when I finally get around to sharing my own thoughts because I could not have said it ANY better :D
Arabian: Peace_LEarabian on May 25th, 2007 04:39 pm (UTC)
Thank you. I'm glad to know that I pretty much got it (even without watching all of the Logan/Parker, any Veronica/Shithead scenes). Yay. Link, link away, I'm cool with that. :D
sowellsowell on May 25th, 2007 04:58 pm (UTC)
I agree with you that the final moment made the arc. And it wasn't even Veronica's expression so much as Piz's that sold it. I don't find CL's acting all that offensive, but I haven't found it really impressive over the course of the season, either, until that last moment. Because his final look at Veronica sold me on the fact that he recognized he'd lost out in some way, and that made the moment for me.

So yeah, the final moment was all right, which doesn't make me even remotely okay with the way the last five episodes played out. Because the truth is - there was nothing WRONG with Veronica and Piz's relationship, the way there was something fundamentally wrong with Logan and Parker's. It was clear the whole time that Logan was still missing Veronica, and that there was something he could get from her that he could never get from Parker. But Veronica didn't seem to spare a thought for Logan (romantically) after she and Piz ot together. Keith liked him; Wallace liked him. She'd found somebody she could trust, somebody who, even if they didn't affect her the way Logan affected her, at least let her breathe.

I liked that she had that realization in the final moments. But it would have worked far better for me if we'd seen some emotion on her side throughout her relationship with Piz, if even ONE other person in her life seemed to recognize that Logan was a better match for her than Piz. It still stings. I'm trying to let it go, but it's tough. I just still get the impression that RT thinks Logan is the bad boy who may be a closer soulmate to Veronica than anyone else, but who is bad for her nonetheless, and who she is right to mistrust. Like it's some sort of failure on her part that she can't make herself leave Logan behind for Piz.

I don't know. It could have ended so much worse, but the way it did end doesn't even remotely make up for the shittiness of the season for me.
Arabian: Mr. and Mrs. Coacharabian on May 25th, 2007 05:28 pm (UTC)
Oh, it doesn't make up for the season, but it does give US a way to go from here. And see your post is WHY I refused to watch the V/Shithead scenes because I KNEW that KBell was going to play it that way. On paper, the Logan/Parker scenes didn't play wrong, it was how Jason SOLD IT that made it really work. If KBell had done the same, that would have been lovely. But unexepcted.

And I do have to give one caveat, that the show did give us, we know that Veronica kept Logan away from Keith and her friends for the most part, so Keith, Wallace, Mac saw him in a negative light. What we did get though is MAC upon getting to know him (through Parker) really liked him and got along well with him. I think THAT was the point of Mac and Logan's friendship (which I FRICKIN' adored), it showed that it wasn't Logan that was the problem, it was that Veronica kept Logan separated from her life (for whatever reason never revealed, but we can fanwank it positively or negatively as we choose). So therefore, Keith and Wallace not seeing the good in Logan made sense from the point of view in that they didn't know him. Mac, on the other hand, DID and did like him.

Bottom-line, I watched and kept the scenes that make the final moments work, and I knew none of the V/Shithead would because of how KBell would have played it. And that really does suck, because I do sincerely wonder if RT just felt so hampered by his star's unprofessionalism (and yes, he is to blame too for not being able to control her) that he had no other way of writing the arc out. But hey, I go back to at least we had that final scene and that sold the arc at least.
p2880 on May 25th, 2007 07:06 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the wonderful analysis and isn't it gratifyin' to know that your predictions of the outsome are so on point! I think you did the right thing in avoiding the VP scenes. Rage would probably have colored your outlook. The red haze would have obsured your clear analysis.

One thing I'd like to point out is that only Logan and Weevil think that some response is needed to the release of the sex tape. Piz doesn't because he has no personality. But Wallace, WALLACE is more interested in avenging the Piz beat down than V's sexual humiliation!!! When did Wallace like Piz more than Veronica?
hiddeneloisehiddeneloise on May 25th, 2007 07:16 pm (UTC)
I am going to copy what I posted in response to you on LoVe Shack. It's easier. Basically, I agree. :)

I am with you, and not simply because I want this to be true. The set up was there. In fact, those anvils that rained on our heads for 5 episodes were part of the set up. I hated them at the time, and I still do. They are heavy-handed, simplistic, and dumb. Logan is not a "bad boy," not even in the strictest sense. And Piss is not that "good." To shove them into these one-dimensional categories was unfortunate and did no service for either character. And I doubt the writers really meant for it to come off so clunky and over-the-head-with-the-sledgehammer-ish. It did, because the point was important for them to drive home (and because they suck at subtle).

But that's the execution. The intent, though, I think was just the opposite of where I thought this was headed (which I assumed would be Veronica embracing the "good" and wholly rejecting the "bad.). We have the realization, which is what I was waiting for with Donut last season and never got. We have it, and it's been coming the entire ep (earlier than that, actually). Piss's non-confrontational attitude very clearly displayed, very pointedly featured. Logan's use of "we," when he tells Veronica that their credo is that someone has to pay. "Their" way of getting justice, not just Logan's. Piss's assumption that Veronica would simply go along with his "Karma will get them" plan, and Logan's immediate surprise when Veronica seemed willing to let Gory get away with what he did. It's too prominent to be accidental.

And as to value judgment, well, looking at the show as a whole, and leaving aside what I personally may feel or think, it never struck me that certain violence is considered a bad thing here. We are asked to root for Veronica when she gets revenge on those who so richly deserve it (the fact that we don't always do that is the flaw in writing and KB's overly smug portrayal at times).

We are shown an atmosphere where the culprits rarely get punishment from the quarters that are designated to do so: Law, authority, public opinion. So, instead, the come-upance is dispensed by other means. Revenge, even outright violence is often portrayed as something that's necessary and even to be cheered for. Weevil went to jail, but he has not been shown as evil in setting up Thumper's murder. Sure Veronica chastised him for it, but she is still buddying up with the guy. It's clear the idea of murder itself is not that terribly abhorrent to her, provided it's in what she considers to be the "right" cause. And I doubt the show meant for us to be horrified by the fact that "nice boy" Duncan orchestrated a murder. Because in the show's, and by extension, Veronica's, mind, it was justice. Same goes for beatings. For example: Weevil tried to kill Logan, the beating was brutal, yet both Logan and Veronica forgive and forget soon enough. After all, Weevil thought Logan killed Lilly. He had a reason.

Now, personally, this logic turns my stomach. But it's the logic of the show, of what RT considers "noir," and like it or hate it, that's who Veronica is and that's who Logan is, too (though his humanity is somehow so much more clear, because he struggles with it, and Veronica is never shown to struggle much over any decision. But that could be because either KB simply isn't showing enough, or because the writers really want her to be in this much of a denial).

Long story short, I believe it was set up in the episode for the Logan/Veronica mind-set/connection/two-of-a-kind-ness to come to the fore. And for me, it did.
Shane: when Logans attack!havemy_heart on May 25th, 2007 08:57 pm (UTC)
I love your take on it. I haven't watched the last five eps yet (and I really only intend on watching the finale), but I choose to go with this interpretation, that Veronica finally had that realization, and it'll actually stick this time!
Arabian: CheerLoganarabian on May 25th, 2007 11:40 pm (UTC)
I recommend watching the Logan/Mac scenes. There is one in 3.16 (with Veronica and Parker -- but she and Logan are completely non-couply and she's kinda a bitch) and they have a whole bunch of scenes in 3.17. AWESOME!!!
Not too witty.: VM - Logancosmicviolet on May 26th, 2007 03:49 am (UTC)
I find it amusing that you call Piz "Shithead', heh. Anyway, good post. I have this theory that Logan and Veronica are bound together by violence (among other things), but I haven't quite worked it out yet. (And hi, I came here via a friend's link.)
Arabian: Little Boy Bluearabian on May 26th, 2007 12:32 pm (UTC)
I just hate his character soooooooooooooooooo much.

Yeah, I was doing Shithead's break-up speech in my head and there was something in there about how Logan and Veronica are all about vengeance and violence.