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17 February 2007 @ 12:50 am
VM 3.13 'Postgame Mortem' L/V Thoughts  
Here's the latest batch of my Logan/Veronica analysis as seen (or will be seen) in The LoVe Shack Breakdowns for the new arc.

Scene One: She's Done ... Or Maybe He Is?

You know, I'm kinda with Heather on this one. I'm not really thinking that Logan tried hard enough. Which is rather telling in a way. I mean, "I poured my heart out on her voicemail?" That's it? He poured his heart out on her voicemail, oh yeah, and he also ragged on her ass before the heart-pouring came about. Now, I'm not saying that Logan wasn't right completely in what he said before the mushy stuff, but when trying to win a girl back ... do you really start out by basically starting a fight? No, you don't ... unless a part of you -- a part you don't even realize is there -- doesn't want to win her back. At least on those terms.

Look, I'm not saying that Logan doesn't love Veronica. At all. I'm not saying that he doesn't want to be with her. However, I said over and over and over again during their first round of dating this season that Logan was walking on eggshells. He literally subdued himself for her, in the hopes that it would be enough to keep her by his side. It didn't work. They broke up. Sure, she came back, but once they got back together that tinge of anxiety came back with it. Maybe he wasn't quite walking with the same care on the eggshells, but the fact that she was still questioning him and not just accepting had to have been a pain in the ass. I mean, SHE came to him this time ... and yet, he may have felt that he was still on trial. And that's gotta suck.

So when Veronica latched onto something else "bad" that Logan did and used it as justification to dump all over him and them again -- this time leaving her in the position of power -- maybe there was a part of himself, some measure of self-esteem that kicked in and said: Enough is enough! And I'm not sure he even realized it, but the fact that he considers a voicemail that began with him reaming her out before telling her he loves her is all he could do to get her back is, as I said above, telling. I don't want to believe that it's over between them, and I really don't ... I just believe that Logan has finally accepted that some major changes have to take place before he and Veronica will get back together. He may not realize it, but the fact that he didn't even remotely give it his all and yet he was ready to conclude that she's done means that maybe he's just tired of playing the game and needs a break himself.

I know that this sounds depressing and all that jazz, but honestly I don't think it is. If I look at this as a long-term situation and not likely only seven episodes left to get these two back on track, this is probably the best thing that could have happened to them. Will Logan and Veronica get back together before the end of this season ... which is possibly the series end? I don't know. But, looking at it more long-term, as if there were the two additional seasons definitively to come in the five-year arc that Rob Thomas mentions, this really does work. Logan (and Veronica) needs to realize that he is just as important as Veronica in this relationship and as of this point, that has not happened. He's always trying to catch up, make up, be enough and that's not healthy at all.

I do believe that Logan and Veronica are IT; they belong together in the long haul and are made for each other. However, neither one is ready to be together right now and this time apart -- although painful -- could be the best thing they need to realize what they both need to do to make this relationship work. Because it can ... they just need to figure out how to do it. And neither one has so done that figuring out yet.

Scene Two: A Sad Boy and a Special Girl

See?! Logan totally COULD get her back if he really tried. I was not happy with Kristen Bell's performance last week, but this (and the next) scene were beautifully played. Everything about it ... from how she stood stock-still when she heard her name, how her lips parted, her eyes widening as if considering (yes, considering) when the DJ said "he's sorry, girl, and he wants you back" to the slow turning and painful yearning as she listened to the lyrics:
    I'm broken, and I'm fadin'
    I'm half the the man I thought I would be
    But you can have what's left of me
... to the final look of angry determination to NOT give in. It all played out exquisitely and made perfect sense. Remember, all she heard of that voicemail was Logan telling her off, she didn't hear the apology, she didn't hear the "I love you." Here and now is the first sign since the break-up that he is sorry, that he does love her and so she was affected, but the anger is still there and a song dedication isn't enough. It could have been a start ... but see the above scene. I don't think Logan is any more ready to give it another shot right now than Veronica is. But the love ... it's still there.

Scene Three: It's Her

See!?!? The love is still there. The look on both of their faces when they first saw each other. Sigh. And here we see a play on the analysis I offered in the above two scenes. Veronica is the one to talk to him first, a soft anxiousness in her voice. She is also the one looking at him ... looking for a sign. And when Heather starts saying all of the things that Veronica is waiting for from Logan, you can see it on her face. Veronica is looking at him, expecting something, waiting for him to say everything this little girl is and all he does is cut Heather off and usher her out of the elevator.

And her final look ... man, that's it right there. Veronica wants him to come to her, she wants him to apologize and pledge eternal love so she can take him back. Not right away, but soon enough, dangle hope and then acquiesce which puts them back on the ground she's comfortable with -- she in the position of power, he as her willing supplicant. Now, I'm not saying that she specifically sees it that way, but that's how it's been and that is what she's used to and feels right for them. However, take a look at his final look.

He's done. He's not going to apologize for something wrong he didn't do; he's not going to prostrate himself and declare undying love and beg her to take him back. Dick didn't realize it, but the fact that Logan was holing himself up in his suite was his way of reclaiming his balls because he didn't want to see Veronica, he didn't want to get her back ... not like this, not under these circumstances. In other words, he finally discovered that he still has some pride. And if they're going to get back together, she's going to make the first move ... not him.

Rocky road, indeed. Ups and downs like a rollercoaster, oh boy, and if we knew for sure that we had a fourth season, I'd actually be thrilled about this turn of events, not expecting or wanting them back together at the end of the season. Heck, I'd even be fine with them even dating other people, because they need this now. They need to understand that they only belong with one another ... but as the people they were when they fell in love. A Logan, in all of his extravagant, over the top, a tad bit of a bad boy glory and a Veronica, wary, weary but with trust and faith in her feelings for him -- as they both sure seemed to be that brief first period of dating before accusations of rape and murder and revenge and ex-boyfriends came between them. They need to relearn to be those people with each other again and if it means staying apart, becoming strangers or friends, seeing other people to see how they are not right for them, so be it. Sadly, I don't think we have the time ... but if we did, oh if we did, I think it would be one helluva journey with an amazing pay-off.
 
 
 
Emma Bruty: Props!Veronica by notxtonightegirl on February 17th, 2007 06:53 am (UTC)
How awesome was Logan with Heather? Their scenes were just brilliant. If he had a little sister, he'd be such a cool big bro.

Now, I just really want to find out if you CAN play Mario Kart online. Because I am SO there! ;-)



Emma.
Arabian: Surf & Smilearabian on February 17th, 2007 07:04 am (UTC)
I think the "it's her, it's her, it's totally her!" is going to be one of my fave VM moments ever! I can't NOT smile every time I watch that part. So well-done. I loved it.

Logan is a great guy, and B-stories like this really show it.
tigereyes320: LVS3HiDadtigereyes320 on February 17th, 2007 03:43 pm (UTC)
Right on as usual
How perfect was the song that was dedicated. I also loved how the Grand ran out of salt and pepper shakers.

Then Heather. I can't say enough about Heather, the two of them were so great. (How about Logan's line of try to avoid the porn)The scenes with Logan are the reason I believe he could be such a great Dad.

Scruffy Logan was so hot! How bad is it that I just wanted to cuddle with him through most of the episode.

And then we saw a bit of our snarky Logan back at the end with the Ahh Newlyweds line and the Miss me line with the apple to his professr.

I agree with the Look on Logan's face, he isn't going to beg to come back, Veronica is the one who wanted warts and all, she got what she wanted.

I guess I would feel better about what is going on with LoVe if I thought there were actually going to be 5 seasons.
Arabian: Bench-Kissing (cap by lapses)arabian on February 17th, 2007 11:47 pm (UTC)
Re: Right on as usual
Oh, I would totally feel better if I knew we had the five seasons, but I can still see this season ending on Logan/Veronica. I really can. Just threaten Logan leaving (either through moving away or a near-death experience) and Veronica will realize she can't take him for granted and can't live without him.
WeHo M.: VM - So Much Closerafrocurl on February 17th, 2007 05:26 pm (UTC)
Great analysis as usual.

I hope that your reading of the time and space needed actually does pan out because, well, I sort of need a bright spot on TV right now.
Arabian: Diaryarabian on February 17th, 2007 11:52 pm (UTC)
Yaeh, me too. And while, I do see this really needing the whole five-year-arc, since I doubt we'll get it, I'm okay with this now because I can still see it ending on a smaller beat of the planned note. I really can.
Eleonorafreezing_82 on February 17th, 2007 09:51 pm (UTC)
I was actually waiting for this, you know?
And I have to confess some lines almost killed my enthusiasm. LOL
I'm in this weird adrenalinic state since last Tuesday and everytime I start thinking about Heather and Logan I start giggling like mad.
I mean..I never thought an 11 year olg girl could be so wise and so brilliant. She's the one who finally - finally! - got Logan's ass leave that couch, those fishes and go for a gulp of fresh air.
Yay for Heather!
And I totally agree, Logan would be an amazing dad! Aww this reminds me of 'Harper Lee is a Ladybug' how much I LOVE that fic!)

I think RT hopes for a five-years-arc are honestly destined to fail.
I'm afraid we'll have season 3 ending with Veronica and Piz, Logan in a mess and Mac and Wallace missing completely. Sigh.
Arabian: Soft Veronicaarabian on February 17th, 2007 11:54 pm (UTC)
I don't think it will end that way this season. Remember, Logan and Veronica were sorta friends at the end of S2 and in the last 5 minutes we saw they hooked back up. Same thing here. I think they'll be together, I do.

Yes, I'd prefer the 5 year arc since that is what Rob keeps adhering too, even if I could think of much better routes, but I do think we can still end on a LoVe note this year. I honestly believe that.
Eleonorafreezing_82 on February 18th, 2007 12:05 am (UTC)
Ladies and gentlemen..there's my 'Hope is my middle name' Jen!!
Yay! Welcome back!! ♥
Arabian: Soft Veronicaarabian on February 18th, 2007 12:07 am (UTC)
Didn't you read my analysis? LOL! I was hopeful there! I was really proud of myself.
Eleonora: sexyfreezing_82 on February 18th, 2007 12:17 am (UTC)
I know, that's why I called you that way! XD it's just so good to have you say that again :P
Arabian: Naked Backarabian on February 18th, 2007 01:18 am (UTC)
Yeah, it was really nice to have a good feeling about these scenes and the direction, even if I wish things had happened differently, as long as I can see it ... I'm relatively happy.

Damn straight, he's sexy!
vanetita: team loganvanetita on February 17th, 2007 11:01 pm (UTC)
I did not get that impression when I first saw the episode, but now that you put it that way... it makes perfect sense.

I wonder if this is what RT has in mind, and if he has shared this with the actors so that they mold their performance to fit his plan. I've read he has said that Veronica and Logan really are IT for each other, but I haven't seen an actual interview.
Arabian: Little Boy Bluearabian on February 17th, 2007 11:55 pm (UTC)
Yeah, when I first watched the scenes, I didn't get this impression either, but it was the rewatch that gave me this hope. And I'm glad it did because it really helped me deal with them being broken up.

I don't know if he's shared it with his actors, but it sure would be a good idea!
Love's Bitch: actors - Michael Muhney - approvedsmores100 on February 17th, 2007 11:12 pm (UTC)
Wow.

I don't really have anything else to say other than "wow". This is one of *the* best analysises (sp?) I've read about the whole LoVe relationship. Seriously, I agree with everything you wrote. And like you said, if there was a 4th season, I'd rather they didn't get back together at the end of this season, but sometime next season. They need some time alone to figure things out (especially Veronica). Alas, the chances for a 4th season are getting slim with every week that passes. :(

Anyhoo, just wanted to say I loved this. Two thumbs up. :D
Arabian: Logan_Hiarabian on February 17th, 2007 11:56 pm (UTC)
Thank you very much. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Yes, since I highly doubt we'll get a fourth season, I can deal with this not playing out the way RT intended and I hope he allows for that and does get them back together, because dangit, I want the series to end with them together. Please.

Again, thank you for your kind words.
Love's Bitch: VM - V/L - epicsmores100 on February 18th, 2007 12:25 am (UTC)
Definitely want them to be together at the very end - they're epic, dammit! :) Question is - when will they know whether or not there'll be a 4th season? This is the first time I watch the show in 'real time', so I don't know when it was announced the previous couple of times. Which leads me to my next question - will RT know whether or not there'll be a 4th season before he writes the last episode of season 3? (I hope he does, I think it's important for the series).

And you're very welcome. :)
Arabian: Epicarabian on February 18th, 2007 01:16 am (UTC)
He knew well in advance and announced it S1, S2 we didn't officially find out until the upfronts after the finale, but based on the "CW? It's a done deal." between Weidman and the Donut, I'm fairly (like 100%) sure that RT knew in advance. This year? I dunno. I hope he finds out though because they started pre-production on 19 this week and start pre-production on 20 next week.
Love's Bitch: VM - V/L - shy that waysmores100 on February 18th, 2007 01:27 am (UTC)
Oh, well that doesn't leave much time. Hmm, although it is going on an 8-week hiatus soon, so perhaps he'll find out then. Here's hoping.
ginagay: marsinlove!sarieljae on February 18th, 2007 01:13 pm (UTC)
He's done. He's not going to apologize for something wrong he didn't do; he's not going to prostrate himself and declare undying love and beg her to take him back.
*nods in cOmplete agreement!*

the fact that Logan was holing himself up in his suite was his way of reclaiming his balls
*YAY!! strong/snarky Logan is back!*

And if they're going to get back together, she's going to make the first move ... not him.
I love Veronica, (I really do) but to see some major grovelling on her part after all the shit that she pulled would be pure gold!

Sadly, I don't think we have the time ... but if we did, oh if we did, I think it would be one helluva journey with an amazing pay-off.
*still clings on to hope that the best is yet to come..(S4)!*g*
harper47harper47 on February 19th, 2007 06:49 pm (UTC)
Aww - look at you putting a good spin on all this. It was a great episode. I don't necessarily agree with all your analysis, but it's very well analyzed.
And while it is true that they need time apart, the fact that we probably don't have that much time left, doesn't make me happy that this is all we're getting. Still I'm glad it ended up making you happy because you care so passionately. And it was a great episode.

I went back and rewatched some of KB's scenes and perhaps I was a little too harsh on her last week. I don't think it was quite as wonderful as you said, but then it wasn't quite as bad as I said either. I think it works better on second viewing but I would have liked a little more from her eyework. (But then I'm terribly picky about eyes.)