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03 February 2007 @ 04:32 am
Is Veronica Mars still a good show?  
Despite all of it's flaws ... do you think that Veronica Mars is still a good show? I do. With the exception of a handful of shows (Rome, Brothers & Sisters, Ugly Betty, The Office, 30 Rock), I think VM is still one of the better shows on the air ... at least for me.

I care about most of the characters, I enjoy most of the plots, I find it funny (except when it tries too hard) and overall, I still adore Logan and when she's not being a smug, judgmental, self-entitled pretty, pretty princess, I love Veronica. I do simply still enjoy it. Are there lapses in logic? Yes. But almost every show on the air has those. Are there stereotypical characters? Yes. Again, many a show has those. Are there episodes I loathe? Yes. (Of Vice and Men, I'm looking at you, how you made my skin crawl!), but out of the eleven episodes that have aired this season, I've had major issues with only two of them (OVaM and LotP and both had some stuff I liked, although OVaM can be put down to one thing: Logan.) and loved to really enjoyed the rest.

Do I think it's nearly as good as season one? No, although I will offer the caveat that despite not liking Veronica as much, and just wanting happy, happy, joy, joy for my couple, I actually think the Logan/Veronica arc is very well written. Still, overall, no, of course season one was much better. But then, I feel, overall that season three is a lot better than season two. I may not always like Veronica now (whereas I barely tolerated her through almost every second of season two), but the character arcs at least make sense. There actually seem to be character arcs, beyond a four-episode Logan arc that involved one of the most insipid characters ever created. And I'm finding the mystery of the weeks and players involved more interesting overall than season two. Yes, I miss seeing more of Weevil, but frankly I don't care enough about Wallace to even notice when he's in an episode or not. I like Mac, but I'm not gung-ho about her like almost everyone else and the less I see of Lamb makes me a happy camper. Too much Piz? Yeah, but I've been able to mostly ignore him (except for the afore-mentioned skin-crawling of OVaM).

So for me, I do still think it's a good show and when taking out the gnashing of teeth involved with being a psychotically obsessed Logan/Veronica fan, I still find it more enjoyable than a lot of the other shows I watch.

Anyone else? (For different reasons, naturally.)
 
 
 
språkspion: vm - good pointfalena84 on February 3rd, 2007 10:59 am (UTC)
Despite all of it's flaws ... do you think that Veronica Mars is still a good show? I do. With the exception of a handful of shows (Rome, Brothers & Sisters, Ugly Betty, The Office, 30 Rock), I think VM is still one of the better shows on the air ... at least for me.

ITA. If it weren't for Friday Night Lights and Rome, I'd say Veronica Mars still is the best show on the air, for me.

Obviously, it's not as good as season one, but I still care about all the characters (with the exception of Piz and Lamb)and enjoy almost every episode.

Quite simply, it's entertaining and good quality tv.
Arabian: Veronicaarabian on February 3rd, 2007 11:57 am (UTC)
Yeah, I think I'll edit FNL in. I do think it's a better show, but I do find VM more entertaining.

So glad to know I'm not the only non Lamb-lover out there.
språkspion: vm - girl from marsfalena84 on February 3rd, 2007 01:05 pm (UTC)
FNL strength lies in the fact it's truly an ensemble show, IMO. I'm invested in every single character and that's quite something. Veronica Mars, on the other hand..well, the title is a big give-away, isn't it? ;)

Lamb does absolutely nothing for me. It's fun to hate him, but that's about it.

Emma Bruty: Props!Veronica by notxtonightegirl on February 3rd, 2007 11:27 am (UTC)
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who isn't a Lamb fan. I just find him incredibly annoying. :-S

I do miss Wallace though. He was just a good guy. I'd much rather have him around than Piz, at any rate! ;-) And Mac's cool, but I'm not really gung-ho about her.

Overall? It's hard for me, because inasmuch as VM is my top-notch show, I also love House and Supernatural (and Jensen Ackles OWNS me right now), so whilst I don't think it's necessarily the BEST show (Nothing could touch Buffy back in the day - that always beat all comers!), it's definitely up there with those two. I'll have to wait and see Ugly Betty, but reckon I'm going to like that a lot. And Heroes has just started here, so that'll need some time.

Yeah, VM still gets there - I guess by virtue of the fact that it's the only show I ever download, it kinda IS the best! ;-) Or, I'm just compelled by LoVe. ;-)



Emma.
Arabian: Deanarabian on February 3rd, 2007 12:01 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who isn't a Lamb fan. I just find him incredibly annoying. :-S

Wohoo! Two of you joining me. yay. Yes, he's just so ugh. I could so do without him as a character.

I do miss Wallace though. He was just a good guy.

I like Wallace, but unless he's playing V's BFF or in scenes with Logan, I'm not really interested and unfortunately he's done very little of either this season.

I'd much rather have him around than Piz, at any rate! ;-)

Well, that goes without saying.

And Mac's cool, but I'm not really gung-ho about her.

Exactly. That's how I feel.

Overall? It's hard for me, because inasmuch as VM is my top-notch show, I also love House and Supernatural (and Jensen Ackles OWNS me right now),

I love Jensen so much, but I'm just not gung-go about SPN. I like it, but to me it's just a decent thriller/drama with a wonderfully pretty, snarky, sarcastic boy. As for House, again I like it, but I have to say my least favorite character is Cuddy and I abhor the idea of her and House and there are so many hints dropping left and right that they are going there that I'm bracing myself to be sickened in advance. Hugh Laurie rocks though.

so whilst I don't think it's necessarily the BEST show (Nothing could touch Buffy back in the day - that always beat all comers!),

It lost me once Marni Noxon really took over. Joss BTVS was awesome, non-Joss? Not so much. My high-water show is Farscape ... from start to finish, best damn television show EVER!

I'll have to wait and see Ugly Betty, but reckon I'm going to like that a lot. And Heroes has just started here, so that'll need some time.

I like Heroes, but I think it's highly overrated. Ugly Betty is delicious and wonderful ... I like to say that UB makes me happy I can be a tv watcher.
Emma Bruty: Gotta be made of Milo by me! :-Degirl on February 3rd, 2007 01:26 pm (UTC)
I love Jensen so much, but I'm just not gung-go about SPN.

Yes. I'm INFINITELY more gung-ho about Jensen that I am about SPN proper. My LoVe wallpaper has just been yanked for Jensen, such is his power over me at the moment. Hormones, honestly! ;-)

As for House, again I like it, but I have to say my least favorite character is Cuddy and I abhor the idea of her and House and there are so many hints dropping left and right that they are going there that I'm bracing myself to be sickened in advance.

Snap on that one too. It'll be back on here soon and I just don't think I can handle it if that happens. It's not right. I've not been happy about House with ANYONE yet. Cameron I liked a bit, I hated that he had the thing with Stacy and Cuddy? I won't even start. :-P

I like Heroes, but I think it's highly overrated. Ugly Betty is delicious and wonderful ... I like to say that UB makes me happy I can be a tv watcher.

I think Heroes might end up being like Lost for me...I was really into it in the beginning, and then I just...wasn't. If anything will keep me watching, it will be Milo Ventimiglia (more on him in a minute!) - but UB just looks fantastic. I think I'll feel a great affinity with that show.

Speaking of Milo - in flitting in and out of the living room where my sister has been watching her Gilmore Girls DVDs, I have remembered how much I loved Rory and Jess (and, well, Jess in his own right) - and it strikes me that he has quite a Logan-esque (Echolls, of course - as opposed to GG Logan!) way about him. He's got that same passion Logan has...and with Rory, those scenes BURN because of his intensity in them. I almost feel as though Jess was the "bad boy" Logan has been painted as...and that Jess and Rory was the relationship that should have been epic, the way LoVe is.

And now, he's on a different show and has crappy hair. :-P So I've been hitting up YouTube for Rory and Jess moments. Sigh.

That is all! ;-)


Emma.
WeHo M.: VM - 3 Monkeysafrocurl on February 3rd, 2007 04:55 pm (UTC)
Well, I'm happy to know that you still enjoy the show overall.

Are you going to be up after 130 PM today (your time?)

I still love the show because I still find the premise compelling and the characters interesting. Sure, things aren't the same as the beginning, but nothing on TV rarely keeps up that after the first season.
Arabian: 1 Happy Familyarabian on February 3rd, 2007 08:37 pm (UTC)
It's 3:30 pm here now and I'm up.

True, that quality generally declines after the first season, sad but true.
secrets_and_liesecrets_and_lie on February 3rd, 2007 07:10 pm (UTC)
I'm sure you know what I'm going to say. :) I do think VM is still a good show. It's not what it was in S1, true, but that was its own entity, and I can't see how it could have sustained that intensity after those emotionally resonant mysteries were solved. But as an ongoing, admittedly lighter weight show, I think it's beginning to find its footing this season. I nearly stopped watching in early S2, but I'm glad I stuck it out. I'm invested in the characters, I think some of the acting is superb (particularly of course JD), and I can think of few other shows that combine wit, humor, emotion, twisty plots, and grey morality all in one package. Not to mention that although V as a feminist icon is rather problematic, she's still a kickass, non-fluff hard-edged character and I do love that. (Even though it seems to drive the fandom bonkers!)

I can't speak to other shows that are currently on. I watch some, but not regularly enough right now -- I've kind of put everything else aside to catch up on BSG (I'm nearing the end of S1 and loving it). In the past, there have been shows I adored, perhaps more unequivocally than S3 VM (oh how I miss Zwick & Herskovitz and their emotional acuity!), but I'm not embarrassed to say that I really like this show. It continues to make me smile.
Moi Mobiasmoimobias on February 3rd, 2007 07:24 pm (UTC)
Veronica Mars has always been an investment to me. I get worried and heart sick over it but in the end the stock soars and I am a very happy camper. My problem is that while I'm waiting it i'm suffering and only the context of time and looking back can I really enjoy the wonderful poetry that it is. So since its the only show on Tv currently that I always watch ..heck yeah its the best thing since sliced bread. I also totally agree that I don't miss certain characters at all. Sorry Wallace you are great but I just don't miss you when you are gone. Sorry Weevil you have had your great momments but frankly even though you aren't a gang leader anymore you still creep me out. (Season two killed any Weevil love I had with the torture and house burning etc) The new characters... Parker...you can stay forever I grew to really love you. Piz...or Duncan 2.0 know with less personality can really go fly a kite...now and forever.
My favorite parts of the show are still strong in my view. And yes as a LoVe fan this season has been great despite the rollercoaster because they have been together.
Jennifer Juniper: VM  on laptopjules_411 on February 3rd, 2007 08:26 pm (UTC)
I still think it's a good show, although I don't still rate it as OMGTHISSHOWISSOAMAZINGLYAWESOME!! that I did season one, but I still rank it as one of my favorites. Although this season rates way higher than season two, and hopefully it will keep getting better as the season goes on. I'm still invested in the characters, and really want to see where they go from here.
too much going on omg: L/V benchdiamondrocker on February 3rd, 2007 11:05 pm (UTC)
If a show no longer entertains me, I stop watching, and so far VM still has a solid place in my tv lineup. True, neither this season or last has lived up to S1, but like you said, S1 was it's own entity - it had such a uniqueness and such a stirring and intense emotion attached to it that can never be redone, so to expect this season to match it is a little much.

I did lose interest last year, somewhere in the beginning of the season. There was no riveting storyline to hold my interest (the bus crash just did not do it, especially considering they kept seeming to forget about it for episodes at a time), and it just wasn't the show or the same cast of characters that I remembered from the season before. However, sometime during the third quarter, it started to remember what it was all about, it's roots, it's strengths, and it began to draw me in again. And I've remained hooked all through this current seasn. Have there been episodes that I prefered over others? Sure, but it's like that with every show. Some episodes are stronger than others. You can't bat 1000 every single time.

Wallace as an individual character is a take him or leave him type of situation for me. He had his chance to impress me last season with the bio dad story, but I don't know if it was the way it was executed, the acting or what, but it failed t do anything for me. I enjoy seeing him interacting with others besides V (mainly Logan), but when I like Wallace most is when he's being BFF with V. That's that character's strength - he's the sidekick, and it works for him.

I enjoy Piz, just not when he's mooning over Veronica. I don't mind a Lamb siting every now and then, just as long as an entire episode isn't dedicated to him, Weevil's always fun, I've always been a fan of Mac, and Parker has completely grown on me. So secondary character wise, that aspect of the show gets a thumbs up from me.

I may not always like Veronica now (whereas I barely tolerated her through almost every second of season two)

And herein lies my biggest problem with the current season. I had no use for the Veronica of the first half of the season 2. She wasn't a character I recognized, and I did not enjoy her. Suffice it to say, I was happy when RT seemed to remember the character he had created the season before, and she started to reemerge about halfway through the year. This season? Yeah, not a Veronica fan so much again. She's bitchier (and almost always at Logan, which at most times just leaves me scratching my head), and she's more cynical and pessimistic than I can ever remember her being, especially when it comes to considering the relationships of others as well as her own. I thought people in love were supposed to see love everywhere else around them? Veronica still sees lies and betrayal everywhere she looks, and it's beginning to annoy. It's like she can't let herself enjoy life for one second. I know that her life hasn't been all daisies and rainbows, and the work that she does does affect how she views others, but it's like she's applying her that pessimistic mindset to everything all the time. She at least still had some hope and faith in past seasons, but that seems to have almost disappeared.

Besides that, and the ridiculousl portrayal of the Logan/Veronica relationship, I've enjoyed the season so far, and the next arc has already started out better than the last.
tsfsydpipjordan on February 5th, 2007 04:35 am (UTC)
I totally agree with your comments about Veronica Mars. Although it is not as good as Season 1, it is way better than Season 2. I like a majority of the characters and think that the mystery of the week is helping with developing the characters.
I only have two critiques. One, I love Veronica and Logan. I want them to eventually be together in the end. However, do we really have to have them get together for an episode only to have problems develop the very next episode? Of course, a lot of times the promos are totally misleading. I want to see the awkwardness of their encounters when they are not together. That was a big problem of mine with season 2. If they weren't together we didn't really see them interact with one another. Also when they do get together we don't really get to see their first date and so one. So as long as Veronica and Logan interact and at the end are going to be together, I will be fine.
The second critique has to do with Piz. I just don't really like him (as a romantic interest for Veronica). I believe it has to do with how they promoted him to the audience. He was the anti-Logan and different and likes Veronica. Well I like Logan so right there, I am going to be against Piz. In addition, I felt like RT was trying to shove the character down my throat. Like you have to like him or else. Why couldn't they have gotten us used to his character slowly? Like not have the first Mystery of the week revolve around him. You know with Parker, although they used her in the first big mystery arc we got to know her slowly. So if they decided to have her and Logan get together, I wouldn't like it but I could handle it a whole lot better than Piz and Veronica.

I also agree with what you all are saying concerning FNL. I just started watching and love it.