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25 January 2007 @ 05:31 am
VM 3.10 'Show Me the Monkey' L/V Thoughts  
Woohoo, a new batch of my Logan/Veronica analysis as seen (or will be seen) in The LoVe Shack Breakdowns for the new arc. I decided to do something a little different (a day or two later, but there it is) and I think I'm going to do this from now on. Instead of just the analysis, I'll be doing a mini-picspam to illustrate my points throughout the text. So enjoy. (Caps from vm-caps.com)

Scene One: Veronica Time

One of the reasons this scene really worked for me is because it is the only time viewers have been given the impression that Veronica moped this long over a failed relationship beyond the silent dump. And, of course, there was so much more that went into that (Lilly's death, her rape, her mother's abandonment, her friends' abandonment, her age, he was her first boyfriend). Here, we saw that even after almost two months, Veronica was still effected by even the mere sight of Logan in the same location as she. And that it was even effecting her eating. This is quite the contrast to what we picked up through the flashbacks in Normal is the Watchword, where frankly, Veronica didn't seem to care all that much. Less than a month later after breaking up with him, she gleefully embarked on a new relationship with an old flame. This time around, it's twice the length of time and Veronica very clearly has not even begun to get over it yet.


Now, I'm not going to include the other scenes in this analysis that illustrate the above point due to the lack of surface Logan discussion, but I'll briefly reflect upon them here. Six weeks later and Veronica still can't bring herself to even really think about dating, unless pushed. And even then, she does it with a half-hearted measure and clearly is not only not connecting with anyone; she's not even trying to connect. Why? Because her heart belongs with Logan. This is even further illustrated by her discussion with Piz later on.

While he was clearly still crushing on Veronica and was -- in that scene specifically -- laying his groundwork for a move from friend to more, Veronica was oblivious to his train of thought. Yes, she appreciated what he was saying, and she applied his philosophy to herself, but she did so without getting what was his motive behind what he said. In other words, there was bonding, but it was of a completely superficial sort. He was thinking of establishing a connection between them, meanwhile she was thinking of re-establishing her connection with Logan and both were completely unaware of not only the object of each other's thoughts, but both misread each other's intentions completely.

Veronica just thought he was offering a philosophy of life, being a friend, while Piz was applying that philosophy directly to her and how she is the "something good" as opposed to the "just something" for him. On the other hand, Veronica was admitting to herself that settling for "just something" would never do for her when she had "something good," i.e. Logan, in her life. Meanwhile, Piz thought that she was on the same wavelength as he in regards to a potential future between them. The fact that they were both thinking of two completely different aspects of this bonding discussion and that neither one had a clue that they were showed that even at the closest we've seen them, they are still so very far apart.

Returning to this first scene, essentially the Veronica we saw stabbing at her food in the food court so focused on Logan was an outward image of what was going on inside throughout the entire episode. Logan would not be forgotten and she was not willing to settle for anything less than him.

And speaking of that stabbing food, I don't know if this was deliberate but since I hold director Nick Marck in such high esteem, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that it was. Even though this was the half-way point of the season, by starting a new mystery and relationship arc, it played as a "premiere" episode of sorts. And, of course, the actual premiere of this show offered viewers their first glimpse of Logan through Veronica ... who was stabbing at her food, paying attention to Logan and not the meal before her. Again, whether intentional or not, it was a nice callback.



Although, obviously, the emotion involved was completely different. Hate had been Veronica's motivation in the Pilot, two and a half years later it is love. Say it with me now ... awww!

Scene Two: Reunited and It Feels So Good

Like their first kiss, part of what works so well for this one is the complete lack of dialogue. It's interesting because the preview for this episode including Logan opening the door to Veronica and saying her name with a question mark. However, in the aired broadcast, neither spoke. I think with both options open to the editor(s), the right choice was made. The look on both of their faces sold the scene more effectively than any words could have and would have, I believe, in fact distracted from the mood the moment created. The music was pulsating behind them and we were getting action from both sides at different moments. Logan sitting there, silent and still until the knock at the door and then he was up and moving -- a fluid grace to those movements I might add -- and there stood Veronica, silent and still. And then she was taking action, moving into his arms.



But let me back up and give their expressions more attention. Like with The Kiss, it was so easy to know exactly everything that was going through their minds based on the emotions evident on their face. Obviously this is an area in which both Kristen Bell and Jason Dohring excel. Hooray for us! On Logan's face, you could read surprise that she was there, hope for why she was there, a touch of fear of what was to come and then a quick flash of wanting as she rushed to embrace him. On Veronica's, we saw anxiety that he didn't want her, hope that he would and silent pleading to take her back just before there was an unspoken 'to hell with it' as she just threw caution to the wind and threw herself at him, hoping he would catch her. And of course he did.



I know many believe that this reunion will be short-lived and therefore hold little importance. I disagree with the latter point. This is the first time we know indubitably, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Veronica swallowed her pride and without any actual knowledge of the reception awaiting her, took the bulls by the horn and took a chance in a relationship. She likely called Logan in A Trip to the Dentist to apologize about her accusations, but (1) he came to her and (2) they were technically, actively still involved and she knew exactly where he stood with her. He wanted her and she was essentially allowing him back into her life. There is a similar note to her showing up at the Grand in Look Who's Stalking. While she did (like here) go to him, she knew exactly how he felt as he had confessed all the night before. Despite the result, when Veronica decided to go to him, there was no anxiety that she was unwanted.

The same cannot be said this time. Logan broke up with her six weeks before. And he clearly had held fast to that conviction. For all she knew, Logan could have moved on, could have been living the fast life, gotten into another relationship, etc. As far as the audience is aware the two have no mutual friends (and, no, Wallace doesn't count; he and Logan share a class, we've never seen them portrayed as "friends"), so Veronica would have no knowledge of what he's doing. So she not only took a chance ... she took a big chance. She swallowed her pride big-time on the hope that Logan missed her as much as she missed him, was as miserable as she. And that for one Veronica Mars is a pretty huge step.

Will it all fall apart? Likely. Has she learned her lesson in regards to their relationship? Likely not. After all, with the lack of dialogue, it's an easy assumption to make that once that door closed the two didn't sit down to hash out their issues, but instead tore their clothes off and went at it like wild bunnies. However, like other steps that Veronica has taken that haven't truly, well, taken ... she is still making an effort and that shows at least a willingness to try. And that is something that we have yet to see her do with anyone else. She does love Logan; I just don't believe she knows how to deal with the nature of that loving yet.

This, though, was a step. Another baby one and like her previous steps, it may (probably will) be retraced ... but each time she takes a step it shows that there is an acquiescence that the very stubborn, very intractable Veronica Mars is able to give in regards to Logan Echolls. This is a good thing.

As for the kiss itself, I did love how they couldn't keep their hands off of each other once they connected.



And my goodness, the angle and direction of this shot truly showed just how tiny Kristen Bell is in Jason Dohring's arms. And that even added a measure of vulnerability and trust to the moment and was yet another point in the pluses column of how these two work so well on screen together.


One other note, not so much analysis as observation but ... how hot was it the way Logan shut the door with his leg, refusing to let go of Veronica once she was in his arms for even the instant it would have taken to close it with his hand? Way, way hot. Muy Caliente!


Sweeping, romantic, desperate, full of passion and yearning ... that is what that kiss was. Another word for it: Epic.

Scene Three: Breakfast for Two

I know many felt that this scene was a disappointment because it seemed more about Piz than Logan and Veronica. On a pure shipper level, yes, I would have preferred to not have it at all. However, from a dramatic point of view I had no problem with it. I believe it made perfect sense that it didn't end on the kiss, but instead on the Piz and LoVe scene. The conversation between Veronica and Piz earlier brought up Piz's crush and so there was that thread being played out in this episode. Had we not seen a reaction scene from Piz finding out that she was back with Logan (where she belongs, ahem), it would have been left dangling and would we have really wanted that aspect drawn out into another episode? No. The inclusion of this scene actually gave us a bit of closure for the time being. (Yes, grumble, for the time being ... but I'm thankful for small favors.)

I also just plain enjoyed other aspects of the scene. The intro of Veronica sitting there was just nice. She looked so relaxed and rather at peace. Even the way she was tapping/running her fingers over the table was done gently. She was content, a slight, almost dreamy smile on her face. When Piz walked up, yes, she smiled widely, but I don't think it was for Piz, but instead merely because she was happy. And when a person is truly happy, they want to share that happiness. Furthermore, when Piz offered to buy breakfast, she didn't look upset or guilty. Her expression was one of disappointment for him because, well, she had other plans.


Finally -- the bestest! -- when Logan came up behind her and then sat down, Veronica turned to look at him and she was genuinely smiling. A sweet, soft smile for Logan and as they looked at one another for those few seconds it was like no one else was there ... not even the other guy sitting at the table. When Veronica remembered Piz was there and turned to look at him (kudos to Kristen Bell), her smile faded just the slightest with realization that he was basically going to be a third wheel and, oh, poor him.


Which brings us to the final reaction shot. I know that many saw various, negative fallout from her expression, but no matter how many times I watched it, I don't. Perhaps it was intended, but it didn't come across as such to me. Part of that reason is because Logan had the exact same expression as Veronica upon his face as he watched Piz walk away. And that expression was the equivalent of "poor guy." Both realized -- well, Logan was reacquainted with the notion -- that Piz harbored a crush on Veronica and thought he had a chance, but now understood that nothing had changed. In other words, as Piz said -- basically articulating that -- as always, Veronica is going to wind up back with Logan, nothing new to see here. Let's face it. The guy had SIX WEEKS to make a move on her and he clearly was laying his groundwork in the scene before and instead of steering her towards him, it steered her right back to the guy she's always going to wind up with: Logan.


I didn't see guilt, because since she'd made no overture in their last discussion (and had been clearly thinking about Logan), she had no reason to feel guilty. And again, Logan wore the same expression ... and there was no need for him to feel guilt. Nor did I see, 'oh, shucks, I missed my chance!' Again, the same expression on Logan's face and that was definitely not what Logan was thinking. Was it Veronica finally realizing that he had a crush on her? Probably -- and I guess we'll just ignore the complete idiocy in Veronica JUST realizing now, but again, there was nothing to indicate that she was upset that she hadn't realized it sooner. Now if we see her distant from Logan and pining for Piz in the next episode, I'll concede this point, but I'm really rather totally positive that there will be no conceding necessary on my part. Honestly, I like to think that once he was out of sight, Veronica shrugged and frowned, then turned back to Logan and the two nuzzled noses or something.

Will Piz be an obstacle in the future? Maybe. But I just don't see how it will be anything other than a temporary, transitory one before she winds up back with Logan ... because that is with whom she belongs. And in the end, with him is where she'll always wind up.

Nothing new there.
 
 
 
Eleonorafreezing_82 on January 25th, 2007 11:06 am (UTC)
*Ele tries not to sneak-peek through Jen's post.*
Ok..I'll be watching ep 3x10 in a few (agonizing!) hours, and then I'll get back to this.
Thanks!!


PS: oh my friends found KB@sundance nasty exploit really really illuminating *grunts*
Arabian: Innocencearabian on January 25th, 2007 11:10 am (UTC)
Don't come in here if you haven't watched it yet. Bad, Ele, bad!!!!!

Yes, come back when you've watched the show. Tis quite good and Veronica (unlike La Bell) is quite lovable.

I gotta say I do love that it's finally making the rounds what a bitch she can be because I've known for a while and have been getting tired of the saintly Kristen defense when she so is not. Eh, she's a great actress and when she brings her A game, I am quite happy and she done brung her A game in Show Me the Monkey, so me = happy! :D
Eleonorafreezing_82 on January 25th, 2007 12:12 pm (UTC)
I honestly always thought she was a bitch.
Since she started being a bitch and keep on saying Logan's not the one.
I remember so damn well the expression on Jason's face when Ausiello told him KB thoughts about LoVe. I believe it was some day around october.
He was like ' really? it's sad, cause she never mentioned that to me'.
Great, kristen! Extra bad-karma points!
Arabian: JD_Too Cutearabian on January 25th, 2007 12:20 pm (UTC)
There were signs early on, sigh.

Yeah, I felt bad for poor Jason and from all accounts, he really is SUCH a sweetheart.
Eleonora: jasonfreezing_82 on January 25th, 2007 12:25 pm (UTC)
Even befor that?
I wanna know..e-mail, reply, whatever you want. I need to know! (you know just to be sure my disgust grows *grunts*) *sighs heavily*
I'm sorry I went OT.
Arabian: Naked Backarabian on January 25th, 2007 12:43 pm (UTC)
Oh, no just like in interviews a few comments that made me raise my eyebrows, but I put off. Nothing major, just a few things that raised my hackles because of my long, long experience with watching actors/reading interviews in the soap world and then once I got to know someone in there, finding out I was pretty much spot-on.
Sarah: V/l - back2getherlove_obsessed on January 25th, 2007 11:54 am (UTC)
Such a lovely recap, the best I've read. Lol, there's not much for me to say, 'cause I agreed with everything you had to say. Piz finding out that she was back with Logan (where she belongs, ahem), Another Ahem!!! ;)
Arabian: Reunitedarabian on January 25th, 2007 12:44 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you enjoyed the write-up.

Ahem a thousand times over!
harper47harper47 on January 25th, 2007 12:51 pm (UTC)
Muy caliente indeed! (and having just sat through several agonizing audition versions of Bop to the Top this phrase has been on my mind)

Great recap Jennifer. Simply terrific. I agree with you and I too think the stabbing food was a callback to the premier which excellent! And agree with you on the interpretation of the Piz scene.

You know, I am really over the puppy dog good boy character. Piz's heart on the sleeve moments (coupled with the door moment in the last arc) really do not make me want him to get the girl. He is sooooooooooooo Dawson to me. So much. And God - I remember when Joey finally slept with Dawson and how ick inducing that was. I pray I won't have to endure that with Piz. Joey did end up with Pacey and I can only hope that Veronica's Pizlude will be brief.

My boss was all - I hope she ends up with the good guy. It was all I could do not to tackle him and start reiterating how "good" Logan is. Grumble, grumble.

Hee - I got a little sidetracked. Anyway, excellent analyis and what a fun, fun, show to watch and enjoy.
Arabian: PC_Totally My Heroarabian on January 25th, 2007 10:28 pm (UTC)
I never watched DC (but for a few eps), so I don't know what you're talking about, but yeah, Piz remains as one-dimensional as ever.

I'm glad you enjoyed the write-up.
Meghan: i've missed you - by __sele__wildly_wrathful on January 25th, 2007 04:03 pm (UTC)
LOVED this. It made me feel 100% better about that last scene. Oh, LoVe! How I've missed you passion! Now I'm going to go back and watch that kiss scene again!
Arabian: Reunitedarabian on January 25th, 2007 10:29 pm (UTC)
Thank you. I'm glad that my analysis helped your feelings about the last scene.
WeHo M.: VM - Epicafrocurl on January 25th, 2007 05:36 pm (UTC)
Lovely and well thought out recap of their scenes.

I think the end scene was a good sign of how things are not all right in the state of LoganANDVeronica, but I'll bask in the pretty for now.

Finally -- the bestest! -- when Logan came up behind her and then sat down, Veronica turned to look at him and she was genuinely smiling. A sweet, soft smile for Logan and as they looked at one another for those few seconds it was like no one else was there ... not even the other guy sitting at the table. When Veronica remembered Piz was there and turned to look at him (kudos to Kristen Bell), her smile faded just the slightest with realization that he was basically going to be a third wheel and, oh, poor him.

You just can't write something without dissing Piz, right?
Arabian: The Chemical Scenearabian on January 25th, 2007 10:30 pm (UTC)
Thanks, Roz. Yeah, we know things (even if we weren't spoiled) are going to hell in a handbasket. Ah well.

Dissing Piz? No, I think it's impossible for me not to do so. He is such a pathetic, useless character.
filmtxfilmtx on January 25th, 2007 08:51 pm (UTC)
Nice recap. I'm not a huge LoVe shipper, but anytime KB and JD are on screen together... it's a good thing. Great, actually. They need to add LoVe as a new element on the periodic table - their chemistry is that good. How awesome was it that Veronica went to see Logan after Piz's little "not settling for something just because it's there" speech? Poor Piz. Doesn't he get it? When it comes to Veronica, he's a Hasselhoff CD.

Also, I don't hold a grudge against KB for not being a LoVe shipper. She has a right to her opinion like anyone else. It's pretty obvious she holds JD in high esteem as an actor - so it's not personal. I think it's the character she has issues with. Honestly, I can't say I blame her much. I may enjoy watching LoVe, but I personally would never go for a guy like Logan.
Arabian: Veronicaarabian on January 25th, 2007 10:32 pm (UTC)
Thank you. Well, there's a reason that a bunch of people jumped on the ship way back when .... that chemistry.

Poor Piz. Doesn't he get it? When it comes to Veronica, he's a Hasselhoff CD.

Hee! GREAT line!!!

I don't hold a grudge against KB not being a shipper, I hold a grudge against her for making false accusations about Logan as being the reason why she holds a grudge. If she watched the show and knew what happened on it in regards to Logan, I'd have no problem with it, but she doesn't and it shows.
filmtxfilmtx on January 26th, 2007 12:58 am (UTC)
There are a lot of actors who refuse to watch themselves on screen. Doesn't mean they don't know what's going on in the show. KB reads the scripts. She knows the story and the relationships, but it's from a different perspective than the viewer because she has a part in the creation of it. I bet if you asked JD what he thinks of Logan, he'd probably have some criticisms, too. Logan is a flawed character. He's supposed to be the "bad boy" who wears his heart on his sleeve. That's how RT and his merry scribes write him. To be fair, KB gets asked CONSTANTLY about Logan and Veronica. I'd rather she be herself and state her personal opinion than lie for the sake of placating fans.
Arabian: Prettyx2 Princessarabian on January 26th, 2007 01:15 am (UTC)
No, she doesn't. She has made comments regarding aspects of the show that clearly DID NOT happen on the show.

Jason has criticized Logan and I have no problem with it, because Jason is aware of what is happening on the show and his criticisms clearly are in reference to actual things that happen on the show. KB doesn't do that. She says she doesn't like Logan because he slept with her friend's mother. That is so far off from what happened on the show. She also said she doesn't want Veronica with Logan, because Veronica needs a guy who will step up to the plate for her -- duh! Logan risked his life, took on a guy with a gun, kept her from murdering someone and took care of her when she thought her father died. How can someone step up to the plate more than that.
filmtxfilmtx on January 26th, 2007 02:06 am (UTC)
She said the "stepping up to the plate" comment after "Not Pictured?" If so, I can see your point. Logan definitely stepped up in that episode. As far as the "slept with her mother's friend" remark, I would consider that an overstatement rather than a false accusation since Kendall technically isn't Dick's mom. Whether Veronica and Dick are "friends" is debatable. They seemed fairly friendly in S2.

Actors have to take words written on a page and turn them into believable dialogue with genuine emotional responses. One way to do this is to use elements from story to fuel their perfomance. It's possible KB's director said "Logan is sleeping with your friend's mom" to illicit a specific emotional response in a scene and it just stuck in her head.
filmtxfilmtx on January 26th, 2007 02:12 am (UTC)
I meant "elicit" not "illicit." Sorry. Been a long day.
Arabian: I love Logan!arabian on January 26th, 2007 03:08 am (UTC)
Yes, she said the "step up to the plate" comment all during the pre-season press for season three.

If it was just that technicality, I'd let it go. But while she damns Logan for things he didn't do, she also talks about what a good, great guy/boyfriend Duncan was. I'm not saying that Logan is a saint, because he's so not, but Duncan did a lot of rotten things, but KB doesn't see it.

I don't care if a showrunner or writer told her something, if she doesn't know for sure -- and she's made that clear, because she's been wrong -- she shouldn't be spouting off about what a terrible person Logan is. She's creating a bad buzz for her show.

If you don't agree, that's fine. We'll just agree to disagree because we'll just keep going in circles.
filmtxfilmtx on January 26th, 2007 03:47 am (UTC)
It's not that I agree or disagree. I'm just trying to look at it a little more objectively, I guess. I know how hard actors work on the set and there's no way you can expect them to remember everything. I try to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Arabian: Veronica ... Gasp!arabian on January 26th, 2007 03:56 am (UTC)
Oh, I know. I'm actually friends with an actor on television (a soap star) and I'm very well aware of it. I also know a lot about the industry and Bell is outside the norm and she does make it difficult.

I tried to give her the benefit of the doubt for a year and a half, but source after source, and interview after interview, and episode after episode took the benefit away.

She is what she is, there's nothing we can do about it. My only hope is that she plays Veronica without her bias, she's done it mostly this season and that I appreciate. And whenever I feel that she's done a kick-ass job, I commend her ... as I did in this write-up. She got more kudos from me than did Jason, and while I dislike her, I adore him. But I'm not biased when it comes to what I see on screen.
Eleonora: jasonfreezing_82 on January 25th, 2007 10:52 pm (UTC)
I'm finally here..just a little broken
Cause yeah, I watched 'Show me the monkey' and it was..

..a 'squee', after a 'wtf', then another 'squee' and so on.
I don't know honestly how I'm feeling right now. Happy? Kinda of. Scared? Sure I am! Disappointed? Sadly, yes.
Probably I made a huge (so huge) mistake watching the promo for next episode right after, but I had to translate it for a friend so..I did.
Did it make sense to reunite Logan and Veronica, when it's plain to see they still have issues? RT is killing me. he loves the rocky road, well guess what? I'm a country girl, I don't like mountains! Any kind!
Nothing changed in 6 weeks (IMO)!
But love too much LoVe to be over it.

Quoting my official LoVe re-viewer:
Will it all fall apart? Likely. Has she learned her lesson in regards to their relationship? Likely not. After all, with the lack of dialogue, it's an easy assumption to make that once that door closed the two didn't sit down to hash out their issues, but instead tore their clothes off and went at it like wild bunnies. However, like other steps that Veronica has taken that haven't truly, well, taken ... she is still making an effort and that shows at least a willingness to try. And that is something that we have yet to see her do with anyone else. She does love Logan; I just don't believe she knows how to deal with the nature of that loving yet.

Word.
You know I've been avoiding reviews of any kind for two days, and now that I finally watched this episode I don't even know where to start.
I do agree with your whole point. Veronica DID make the first move (about time!), but since I'm a talker I'm always a little scared of unspoken words. This was no exception.
It was way too good to have LoVe back..I'm just thinking - I'm really scared, actually - how much is it going to last? A week? (likely, seeing 3x11 promo) A month?
Hopefully longer. Sex's good, making love is heavenly good, but facing each other..that's the point.

But just because I don't want to end this post to be too emo, I'll point out something sweet:

how hot was it the way Logan shut the door with his leg, refusing to let go of Veronica once she was in his arms for even the instant it would have taken to close it with his hand? Way, way hot. Muy Caliente!

I'll stay forever in his arms. I'm a little taller than Veronica, but I'll surely snuggle myself resting my head under his chin *aww*.

I really want to dedicate a few words to Jason Dohring, cause he's my hero. (no, I'm not talking about NBC!).
It's something I've never felt before. I mean I actually cried everytime he cried on screen. How emo of me huh? (I ended up emo..I knew it!) I know, what can you do. *smiles a little*

I really, REALLY, do appreciate your positiveness, cause I guess she has enough for both of us. So yay for Jen!


PS: Jen, I hope you don't mind if I paste this one from my lj..I'm way too tired and sad to make another decent comment ex novo.
Arabian: Jason_Say Noarabian on January 25th, 2007 11:54 pm (UTC)
Re: I'm finally here..just a little broken
I'm glad that you were able to enjoy moments of the episode. I admit it's a big disheartening to me seeing all of the apathy and venom leashed upon VM lately. It's weird, maybe I'm more accepting because I realized and accepted very early on in S2 that this show was no longer the VM from S1 and so I'm used to it by now. Ah well.

And of course, I don't mind that you copied your text. I've done that plenty of times, sometimes you don't have time and sometimes you just don't have anything different or more to say.
Jennifer Juniper: vm smilejules_411 on January 26th, 2007 01:38 am (UTC)
how hot was it the way Logan shut the door with his leg, refusing to let go of Veronica once she was in his arms for even the instant it would have taken to close it with his hand? Way, way hot. Muy Caliente!

Si, Muy Caliente!! :)

I didn't mind Piz in this episode because he helped her realize that she does know the difference between 'something not good' and 'something.' And I agree on the final scene, I'm glad we saw it, because we got to see Piz realize that during their discussion, the 'something' that she was thinking about was not the same as he was.
Arabian: Veronicaarabian on January 26th, 2007 03:53 am (UTC)
Exactly. Does it mean anything? Who knows. I think it would be incredibly original and non-cliched if the next time we saw Piz it was a Piz who realized his crush on Veronica was hopeless and he's moved on.
Jennifer Juniper: VM  on laptopjules_411 on January 26th, 2007 04:22 am (UTC)
Man would that be great. As far as I know, he only knows three things about her, she's pretty, she's a detective, and her dad bought her a car because he ditched her for the majority of their vacation. Oh yeah, Wallace also told him that her best friend was murdered. Hmm, yup, I think I can see why he's been pining for her for this long. They're totally MFEO.
Arabian: Veronica_Golden Glowarabian on January 26th, 2007 05:09 am (UTC)
It really is utterly ridiculous. He keeps saying he has this type, this type -- dude, as someone else said -- every unattached guy's type is a hot blonde. Hello!?!?!?

Asshead. He doesn't know her. He really does not.
polarthestral on January 26th, 2007 02:17 am (UTC)
On Piz and Logan
The guy had SIX WEEKS to make a move on her and he clearly was laying his groundwork in the scene before and instead of steering her towards him, it steered her right back to the guy she's always going to wind up with: Logan.

I actually like that he didn't make a move. It shows that Piz has more respect for relationship ethics and the effect Logan had on Veronica, to wait until she's ready to date again rather than take advantage of the rebound. That's more respect than Duncan had. He probably shouldn't have because she bounced right back to Logan, but I'll never say he had six weeks he could have made a move. In Piz's mind he was waiting for a sign from Veronica that she was ready to move on (and their dialogue seemed like that sign to him because she was talking about looking for something good rather than jusr something). That's why I felt bad for him. Because he was a good guy here, he didn't take advantage of her (not that he probably could).

I also didn't like that Jason played Logan sympathetic at the end. It seemed more out of character than the pillow mope. People have said he was overly mopey this season but it never bothered me until that look. I always figured he'd just changed. But I don't like that he's changed so much that he's sympathetic to an antagonist in his relationship with Veronica. It doesn't make him mopey, it makes him soft and Logan has never been soft with anyone but Veronica. Piz isn't his friend, it's not like how he was when he was sympathetic with Duncan in 1.21. This guy wants to take Veronica and looked kinda gleeful about their problems in 3.07 to Logan's face. It's very wrong that Jason isn't at least making Logan blank him if he isn't snarking openly.
Arabian: Vengeancearabian on January 26th, 2007 03:13 am (UTC)
Re: On Piz and Logan
In this case, clearly he wasn't directed or told to play Logan snarky, or the dialogue would have been there. I guess I didn't have a problem with it because it shows that he realizes (and yeah, maybe it will change, but for now, not) that Piz just is NOT competition.

As for him waiting, I'd take more of a nobility regarding Piz had he NOT hit on her and asked her out on a date when she was actually DATING LOGAN! I take him not making a move sooner because he realized -- not respected -- that she wasn't over Logan and was still miserable about it. So it was too soon.
polarthestral on January 26th, 2007 04:02 am (UTC)
Re: On Piz and Logan
Yeah, I don't actually want him to consider Piz competition. That wasn't the point of my complaint. The fact is Piz wants to be competition and has made moves that Logan is aware of (and would not find cool even though they don't work). What happened to Logan's smug side? What happened to Logan's territorial side? What happened to the Logan who was annoyed by people like Piz in general and didn't have patience for them?

I just don't get why he'd feel compassion, it's not in character at all even if he doesn't see him as a threat. Maybe fans wouldn't like it if Logan looked smug, but Jason doesn't normally back off showing the dark side of Logan even if it could potentially make the character unlikeable. Here he looked sad for the guy and concerned about how Veronica was feeling because her friend was upset (the side look as the camera zooms on Veronica). And after a whole episode of Logan moping, I guess I wanted to see that rock hard underbelly that just doesn't give a fuck about guys making moves on his girl.
Arabian: Peace_LEarabian on January 26th, 2007 05:07 am (UTC)
Re: On Piz and Logan
Yeah, they have neutered him this season. Part of it was Jason's choice, but it obviously is in the writing/directing as well. Maybe by the end of this arc we will see a change. It would be nice to see a return to the snarky Logan.

I still throw my hands up about RT. Why does he not realize that Logan and Veronica can be together, be a couple with Logan snarking and even somewhat OPJ to non-people-he-cares about and that he and Veronica can snark at one another, in a teasing way? Why is he so incapable of writing couples? Gah! If it weren't for Kristen and Jason's natural chemistry, there really would be nothing.
Emma Bruty: Logan Echollsegirl on January 29th, 2007 11:59 am (UTC)
One of my favourite shots is of Logan standing there, hand on hip, looking at the barista or whatever. Something about that one shot is just...how you say? Muy caliente! ;-)

Mind you, it could just be because JD is muy caliente proper, but anyway... ;-)

And I didn't see any negativity in that final scene. I pretty much saw it as you did. I didn't really think Logan was THAT sympathetic...he was just looking as Piz walked away, really.

And I don't think you'll need to make any concessions. ;-)

And in the end, with him is where she'll always wind up.

Amen, sister!

(Or something. ;-))



Em.
Arabian: Little Boy Bluearabian on January 29th, 2007 12:55 pm (UTC)
He really is so damn hot. He's just phew! HEAT WAVE!!!

I'm so glad that I'm one of only (now) three people I know of for sure who saw that scene as I did.

Yup, they belong together, forever and ever and ever. Amen.
Moi Mobiasmoimobias on January 29th, 2007 01:21 pm (UTC)
Thanks for adding the pic spam!! I always enjoy your thoughts and I always enjoy pretty pictures!!

Arabian: Logan_Hiarabian on January 29th, 2007 10:27 pm (UTC)
Thank you, I'm glad you liked the pic add! :D
zeeniizeenii on January 29th, 2007 08:02 pm (UTC)
I really really LOVE your reviews. After each episode I'm waiting for you to post your thoughts. I really like how you point the different feelings and aspects of the different scenes out. You point out aspects that I would never think of. Yeah, I just wanted to give you some credit here:D


And, of course, the actual premiere of this show offered viewers their first glimpse of Logan through Veronica ... who was stabbing at her food, paying attention to Logan and not the meal before her. Again, whether intentional or not, it was a nice callback.

I didn't see that until you said it. But it's exactly how the pilot. I just loved it how she sits there and is all mopey:D


On Veronica's, we saw anxiety that he didn't want her, hope that he would and silent pleading to take her back just before there was an unspoken 'to hell with it' as she just threw caution to the wind and threw herself at him, hoping he would catch her. And of course he did.

You described her feelings so well. And I saw the "to hell with it" too:D


Sweeping, romantic, desperate, full of passion and yearning ... that is what that kiss was. Another word for it: Epic.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww....


Finally -- the bestest! -- when Logan came up behind her and then sat down, Veronica turned to look at him and she was genuinely smiling. A sweet, soft smile for Logan and as they looked at one another for those few seconds it was like no one else was there ... not even the other guy sitting at the table.

As I watched the scene the first time I didn't see her smile. I was so distracted what was going on with Piz that I totally missed it. And as I read it in your post I was like "NO WAY she's smiling genuinely at Logan". But I rewatched it and couldn't stop squeeeing:D
Arabian: Veronicaarabian on January 29th, 2007 10:28 pm (UTC)
Thank you sooo much. I'm really glad that my write-ups give you a better enjoyment of their scenes, I really, really am! Woohoo!! I really appreciate what you wrote.