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23 January 2007 @ 10:08 pm
VM 3.10 -- I liked A LOT!  
Thoughts on the new (finally!!!) VM episode below the cut. You know I wish I wasn't so addicted, but I am and I am just sooooo this show's bitch. Seriously. I can rant and rave and dislike a series of episodes (which hasn't really happened, a whole series that is, more like one or two and then a couple more with scenes/things I dislike), but a really good one comes along and I'm just so forgiving and la la la, it was great!

I thought it was a good episode overall, really good. Nothing flashy, but it really did the job. Nice understated set-up of the mystery. I thought they did a good job of showing them both not doing a good job moving on. Jason looked really, really, really hot. I like that she went to him and I loved that kiss. The only thing that slightly bugged was Veronica looking worried or anxious or whatever over Piz's reaction at the end. But how it played out with the time over the break, I actually thought it worked. That's what I ask -- that it make sense, that it flow, and this did. And also, to be positive, I liked how Veronica genuinely smiled at Logan and then the nature of the smile changed just slightly when she remembered that Piz was sitting there watching them, but it was very, very subtle. Good job from Kristen.

The more I think about it, I actually had no problem with the end on further thought. They've been apart for six weeks and she's been friendly with Piz, so that look on her face came across not so much as guilt, but as feeling bad for him. And that works for me. That's fine. In the scene before with him, he was obviously thinking of her, but she was just as obviously thinking of Logan. So really, I had no problems with this episode. None.

I really did enjoy this episode. I thought it was well-done and a really good follow-up to the last one. But oy vey, Francis is NOT looking good.

I'm not overly impressed with Mac's new guy. Bronson Pope ... I wonder if it's a relation to the beloved Mr. Pope from last season? I would still prefer Mac with Piz or with the lab guy even. He was much more likable to me. And oh my God, after Logan, the cutest thing was the monkey. When it was sitting on his lap, it was so cute. I was aww'ing all over the place.

More random thoughts -- Dick taking a picture of his dick and then throwing it over the balcony. Hee! And then all but saying Logan show me yours, HAH!!! I also thought they did a good job of making clear that the girl gave Logan a blowjob without it being too explicit. Good job! And boy, yeah, Logan really was missing Veronica as he didn't even enjoy a blowjob. Oh back to shallow, I thought Jason's body looked really good in the pre-surf scene, but a close-up made it look like he had a rash or something. Heh, still hot. And boy was he working that shirt in the kiss scene. Wowza.

Really, I enjoyed this one a lot. I'd probably put list it as my 3rd fave this season so far.

And I really did enjoy the kiss. Nick Marck is one of my favorite directors on the show and he didn't disappoint. I would have preferred the kiss a little longer and a close-up would have been nice, but it was suitably passionate and I loved the little motion of Logan kicking the door shut.

So, yeah, I liked this one. A lot.

Someone said at the Shack that part of why they loved this is because Veronica was sympathetic and I agree completely. She was sympathetic to almost everyone involved in the case and not bitchy or judgmental. It was great.

I was talking to Mia and she wondered why it didn't end on the kiss, but did the Piz and LoVe scene and for me, again, it made perfect sense. The conversation between Veronica and Piz (look at me, all mature! I'm not calling him Asshead!) brought up Piz's crush on Veronica and there was a thread of the story there. Had the show not shown a reaction scene from Piz finding out she was back with Logan (more on his comment later), it would have been left dangling and would we have really wanted that aspect drawn out into another episode. No. It actually gave it a bit of closure for the time being.

"Nothing new," in other words, Piz, was saying, in the end, she's always gonna wind up back with Logan. Piz had SIX WEEKS to make a move on her and he clearly was laying his groundwork in the scene before and instead of steering her towards him, it steered her right back to the guy she's always going to wind up with.

And as he walked away, I actually read the same emotion on Logan and Veronica's expressions as ... "poor guy." Logan clearly realized that Piz was still crushing on Veronica and didn't stand a chance again. I like to think that once he was out of sight, Veronica shrugged and frowned and then turned back to Logan and the two nuzzled noses or something.

Ooh, did anyone else think that Dick was fishing to see Logan's family jewels? And Logan was not biting ... and so Dick changed the subject quickly? Hee!
tigereyes320tigereyes320 on January 24th, 2007 03:29 am (UTC)
Let's see . . .
How many times did you mention the kiss?

God wasn't it GREAT something passionate out of season 1, Yummy.

How hysterical was Dick and his idea of Therapy for Logan. The Garden State book report was even funnier.

I have to say I thought Mac and her new guy were so cute. I think she needs this first to help her realize the fact that she loved Cassidy doesn't mean something was wrong with her. Maybe Bronson is a training wheel type of guy, before Mac moves on to actually getting back in the saddle.
Arabian: We got promo baby!arabian on January 24th, 2007 03:35 am (UTC)
Re: Let's see . . .
Hee, I didn't mention it that much!?!? Although, I've already watched it tons of times!!! HEE!!

Well, I thought the IAG makeout flashback was pretty hot too, but yeah, nice seeing it in real time!!!!!!!!

Loved the Dick/Logan scenes.

And I guess I just didn't like the guy playing Bronson. He looked skeevy to me.
tigereyes320tigereyes320 on January 24th, 2007 02:17 pm (UTC)
Re: Let's see . . .
Mac's new guy will probably be the Dean's long lost son and be the one who killed him it was just so cute seeing Mackie smile and flirt again.

I see a lot of (SMUTTY) fanfic being written from that night until the next day or so, considering from the promos what's going to happen.

Dick and Logan are just too funny they play off each other so much better than Duncan and Logan did.

Annieannie_oakley on January 24th, 2007 03:42 am (UTC)
You're a lot happier than I am. I was just so disgusted by the Piz/Veronica bonding! And her looking after him like she finally got that he liked her, for the 293482943 time!

And everyone is already all, "Poor Piz! I really like him now!" It just felt all so forced.

I'm going to try and share your enthusiam though. It's hard to do it sometimes when everything feels like it's going to hell.
Arabian: World of Squee!arabian on January 24th, 2007 03:44 am (UTC)
I just didn't see this great bonding. I didn't. It didn't feel that way to me and her look I read as just feeling bad for him, not that she wanted him or regretted being with Logan.

Hell, I felt sorry for Piz and I call him asshead.

I did really enjoy it. I did. Me being the voice of positivity is kinda scary though.
Annieannie_oakley on January 24th, 2007 03:48 am (UTC)
I didn't see it either, but I think we were supposed to see it, which is what pisses me off.

I'm glad you enjoyed it, though, and I'm really glad you're being positive about stuff. It helps me to try and be positive, too.
Arabian: First Kissarabian on January 24th, 2007 04:42 am (UTC)
I think we were supposed to see that Piz was still crushing on Veronica and was laying his groundwork and that Veronica appreciated what he was saying without getting what was the motive behind it. There was bonding, but it was of a completely superficial sort and the fact that they were both thinking of two completely different aspects of that bonding and neither one had a clue that they were showed that even at the closest we've seen them, they are still so very far apart.
too much going on omg: veronica - happy dancediamondrocker on January 24th, 2007 03:44 am (UTC)
I'd definitely have to agree. This ep was great! I loved pretty much everything about it. Sure, there were some parts where I just kinda had to roll my eyes a little, i.e Logan hooking up with the beach bunny (plot point to come back and bite him in the ass anyone?), and that look that V had at the end as Piz left. I'm sure she felt bad for him, but my initial thought was you cannot tell me that she never knew he was crushing her - b/c that look on her face seemed as though she was just realizing that he liked her, and then her almost considering it. And don't get me started on the previews. So. Tired.

And yeah - Francis hasn't looked great all season. His face is majorly breaking out, and I don;t know if it's b/c of the ink from his tats on his face or what. But eesh. Not good.

But anyway, back to the good stuff, which was pretty much the entire rest of the episode. The mystery was enjoyable (seriously, how cute was that monkey?), and I really enjoyed the friendship between Veronica, Mac and Parker. Parker almost reminded me of S1 Meg in this ep. They were a great trio. Dick=awesome. Logan=freakn HOT. Mac=adorable. I liked her new guy, but now that you bring it up, yeah I could definitely see her with the lab tech guy, and I've always thought her and Piz would be interesting. But I'm fine with Bronson. And that kiss??? OMG. As soon as this ep is up for dl, I am totally picspamming the shit out of those 10 seconds. Like, for real. I WILL have a 3-10 picspam up as soon as humanly possible.

So yeah, I liked this one a lot, too.
Arabian: Veronica ... Gasp!arabian on January 24th, 2007 04:59 am (UTC)
I hope we get some great picspams of this. There was definitely some material for 'em!! Woohoo!!!
Jennifer Juniper: VM Boo-yah  Veronica Macjules_411 on January 24th, 2007 05:20 am (UTC)
I really liked this episode.

A couple of scenes reminded me of old episodes, like the first time we see her it reminded me of the Pilot, staring at her ex and poking at her food. Then while she was in the cafeteria talking to Piz and then she has her 'epiphany' and she heads to the Grand, much like in Driver Ed (however I enjoyed who was at the door much much more this time) :) And was he stroking her jacket when he was sitting on the couch right before she got there?

I actually liked Veronica again in this epi, wow, I wasn't sure if I was going to be saying that again.

Ugh, and Mac, I love her!! Monkey? ...as in Spank my? I am so glad to see her starting to move on.

Arabian: Teamworkarabian on January 24th, 2007 05:22 am (UTC)
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who really enjoyed it.

This is the third "new guy" writing this season and like the other two, I really like his work -- and he's paired with John Enbom, probably my favorite VM writer now. Plus, the wonderful Nick Marck directed. This felt like not only Veronica, but Veronica Mars the show.
change_of_fate: VM - The Girlschange_of_fate on January 24th, 2007 06:19 am (UTC)
I will say that I did like Piz there for about two minutes! And that kiss was just so perfect. I screamed and then rewond my tape like 6 times!

But I just loved it when Veronica was rocking out. It was way cute!
Arabian: Veronicaarabian on January 24th, 2007 06:31 am (UTC)
Yes, I rewound it about 10 times and then went back and watched it a few more. HEE!!!
Lalala623 on January 24th, 2007 06:24 am (UTC)
OH man! I loved this episode! Yes, the kiss was AWESOME! And yes, Jason was hot, especially with that shirt! I mean, arm muscles, back muscles...DAMN! lol....I was worried at first cause I really thought she was gonna go for Piz when they were talking in the cafeteria...but when they panned to Logan and I heard the knock, I was so happy to see it was her on the other side. Yes, the kiss was amazing...and I totally agree with you...I like that the whole Piz and Veronica thing is shut down...at least for now! :)

Oh! and thank you for telling me about the preview...I kept rewinding it on my DVR, but it was too fast for me to tell...I'm pretty sure they're luring us again ...kinda like what they did with the previews for 'Hi, Fidelity!' I'm hoping the last part of the preview won't happen till at least a couple more episodes! :)
Arabian: The Kiss 2.0arabian on January 24th, 2007 06:33 am (UTC)
Yes, I love hearing that other people did love it as much as I do. Woohoo!!

God, the way he looked in that shirt! Oy vey!!! So, so, SO HOT!!!

Yeah, totally Veronica on that couch and the shot looked so loving and ooh!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm pretty positive that the last part is NOT in next week's. I think for the most part us Logan/Veronica fans will enjoy most of next week's a lot! :D
Lalala623 on January 24th, 2007 07:24 am (UTC)
Well, I did, if not more. I was giddy the whole time I watched!

LOL...And yes...that shirt...MY.GOD!! DAMN! I about died. :) And when she made a move it looked like he couldn't get to her fast enough...*sigh*...But seriously, he was hot this whole episode...especially when he was telling Dick that he'd have to take his word that his manhood was still in tact! LOL...now if I could only meet someone that hot who could look at me the same way! lol
The only complaint I had was that they didn't get into what Logan did at the end of 3.09...I mean not even a voice over or mention about the rapist being caught...she had to know what he did, right? Ah well..maybe it comes up later? who knows...otherwise, that kiss totally made up for it! :)

YAY! Thanks for that...at least I have something to look forward to. :)
Arabian: One Angry Loganarabian on January 24th, 2007 11:18 am (UTC)
Eh, I didn't expect that we would get follow-up. Rob seems to find things like follow-up not terribly important. *Snerk*

Yeah, Jason looked really, really hot. I thought he was hottest in the Kiss scene, those jeans, that shirt and his muscles moving as he kicked the door shut. DAYUM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crap, I was wrong -- it wasn't Veronica on the couch. And that just SUCKS!!!!
Lalala623 on January 24th, 2007 05:46 pm (UTC)
"Yeah, Jason looked really, really hot. I thought he was hottest in the Kiss scene, those jeans, that shirt and his muscles moving as he kicked the door shut. DAYUM!!!!!!!!!!!!"

lol...it's like you know me! those were my thoughts exactly! :)

"Crap, I was wrong -- it wasn't Veronica on the couch. And that just SUCKS!!!!"

OH NO!!!!! I'm going to pretend I don't know that and continue to think happy thoughts! I still have hope that they're pulling our leg, and it's not gonna end next episode.
Arabian: LoVe _ Squee!!!arabian on January 24th, 2007 11:16 pm (UTC)
He was just so, so, so hot in this ep, but yeah especially that scene. Sigh.

Fear not, upon further examination it is NOT Logan in the shot either, so woohoo!!! Probably the guy in the cold open. If you look closely, the dude is wearing glasses in the screencap. So not Logan.
Lalala623 on January 25th, 2007 03:14 am (UTC)
lol...I didn't see screencaps, but I was watching it and pausing...and I thought the same thing that it was someone else...was gonna tell you that! :) So yay! I'm happy again! :)
WeHo M.: VM - Avoidanceafrocurl on January 24th, 2007 08:11 am (UTC)
Not disappointed in the episode at all. Well, I'm generally excited about it.

I'll probably have better thoughts in the morning, but I did like the build up of the MotW and the Dean O'Dell one, too.

Oh--I sort of love the ending scene so much, but you know I hate Piz.

I have a whole weird thought on something in that Piz/Veronica scene, but I sadly need more time to flush it out.

I also should be in bed in case I have a call tomorrow morning.
Arabian: Veronica_Anime-Stylearabian on January 24th, 2007 09:49 am (UTC)
I'm glad you liked it because I know that you were not in the best of VM moods of late. I really had no problems, nothing substantial and that's good.
WeHo M.afrocurl on January 24th, 2007 05:44 pm (UTC)
Well, my rant the other day was more about Jason than the show, but I understand what you were saying. It was fun, and considering all of the negativity out there, it was nice to see.
Kirsty: vm : lv : break my fallwowsugarpuss_ on January 24th, 2007 09:44 am (UTC)
Weee, I'm glad everyoen seemed to really like this ep!

I pretty much agree with everything you said. I definately wasn't annoyed by the Piz/Veronica stuff, because as you said in a comment above, it's clear they're on completely different pages. I'm not quite sure where people are getting the idea that she really likes him now. Say whaa? If she liked him, she's had 6 weeks to do something about it, and a perfect opening in the cafeteria in which to make a move, but all she could think about was Logan. That last shot of her reaction was definately just sympathy and a realisation that he actually thought there could be something between them. Reinforced moreso by the fact that Logan had the same look on his face. I honestly quite enjoy their scenes, just not on a romantic level. I think I could really get behind their friendship if Piz didn't have the crush on her.

I loved Mac and her new guy though. He was cute, and yeah. Go Mac! I was totally cheering when she went and kissed him.

And yeah, I also agree that Veronica/Kristen was really great. This was probably the first ep this season that I didn't once roll my eyes at her. Her little smiles while watching the monkey? adorable. And the look on her face when she was at Logan's door was perfect. And the kiss was just plain hot. How they both moved toward each other and just grabbed each other.. gah. love.

I'm pretty sure too that most of the angry L/V stuff from the promo is from 3x12 too and the hooker stuff is the MotW. So I'm just going to be excited for all the cute L/V we'll get next week. He's feeding her! Hee.
Arabian: Stair-kissingarabian on January 24th, 2007 09:52 am (UTC)
I'm glad more people are coming out and saying they liked it! I was kinda wondering what was up because I was the first one to post something and when others started, well, there were worries and concerns and what not.

I dunno, Mac's guy was just kinda skeevy to me. I didn't like him. I would have MUCH preferred lab guy or Piz.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to next week as it may be the last good LoVe stuff we get for awhile, sigh, but it looks like this time they are giving us some good stuff to hold us over. One can hope!

And yes, he's feeding her, HEE!
Kirsty: vm : lv : back to youwowsugarpuss_ on January 24th, 2007 11:00 am (UTC)
Well Piz would be preferable if it got him out of the way, hee.

I just re-watched the promo though, and that shot of the couch is definately Logan and the hooker. Sigh. I want LV couch snuggling!
Arabian: One Angry Loganarabian on January 24th, 2007 11:12 am (UTC)
Damnit, you're right it is. Ah well. Fuck.
Arabian: World of Squee!arabian on January 24th, 2007 11:17 pm (UTC)
Aha, not Logan though!!! Woohoo!!!
zeeniizeenii on January 24th, 2007 12:15 pm (UTC)
Does that mean he's going to cheat on her with a hooker? Or is it a flashback? And has anyone other the feeling that this hooker looks a lot like Nicole Ritchie?
Arabian: Veronica's Porn Collectionarabian on January 24th, 2007 12:20 pm (UTC)
I do not believe AT ALL that he cheats on her. It could be a flashback, it could be a set-up, heck, it might not be Logan. Who knows? I'll I know is that Logan was feeding Veronica. That I'm holding onto, damnit!
harper47harper47 on January 24th, 2007 02:06 pm (UTC)
It really was a fun ep wasn't it? I enjoyed it immensely and the best part is as you said, this flowed, this made sense, this worked. And Veronica was sympathetic. I liked her all episode. What a great way to start the second arc. Well done RT and company.

Arabian: Newton's 2nd Lawarabian on January 24th, 2007 11:18 pm (UTC)
Yes, it was.

I wasn't expecting to enjoy it and I enjoyed the whole damn thing. (Okay, except for KB doing the tongue, hand gesture, I agree with others, more KB, than VM, but that's a very, very small thing for an otherwise fun episode.)

Very good start to the second arc, I agree.
hiddeneloisehiddeneloise on January 24th, 2007 03:49 pm (UTC)
You already know how I feel about the ep! Squeee!

And the dreaded scenes? They convinced me more than ever that Veronica and Piz will never work.

They talk at cross purposes. They can't read each other at all. They had all this time to bond, and it took her forever to even realize that glaringly obvious crush he has on her. And he doesn't get her AT ALL. Nope. Apart from the very natural pity both Logan and Veronica showed at the end, there was absolutely nothing there. No longing or even consideration on Veronica's part. If RT decides to put her with Piz after all, it will be even more forced. Gah.

As to the promo shot with the hooker? I looked at the cap carefully, and it doesn't seem like it's Logan. The guy seems to wear glasses. If it is Logan, then he is undercover for Veronica's case.
Arabian: Logan Testingarabian on January 24th, 2007 11:26 pm (UTC)
I'm glad we agreed so much on the episode. And in a GOOD way!! Yay!

Exactly, they don't work and frankly if they haven't hooked up by now -- especially in the 6 week break-up interim when we know Veronica rebounds QUICKLY -- I don't find it believable that they would. Sure, I could buy a date, but the date ending with it not working. They are, as you said, so at cross purposes. They just don't even know one another that well.

Yeah, it looks like the guy from the cold open/chick who isn't Veronica, so yay!
Femme Fetale: [vm]Veronica Eyesex.slayervixen on January 24th, 2007 06:37 pm (UTC)
Really liked this episode actually as you say NOT too flashy but well done. I actually really liked Veronica she was not a bitch at all, LOVE LOVE LOVE the reunion and love that Piz was all disappointed...I still hate him even though he didn't actually bother me in this episode.

The kiss was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo great. Logan should walk around topless more..overall I'm quite happy with this episode and I did have a pre concieved notion that I wasn't going to like it but I did and yeah as you said I'm this shows bitch...it can let me down so much sometimes but then I see a well done episode and I'm gone again....*sighs*

Love it.
Arabian: LoVe_3.09arabian on January 24th, 2007 11:28 pm (UTC)
Aww, I'm glad you liked it. You're my soulmate in ranting about RT, KB, Asshead, what's been done to VM, so I'm thrilled that you liked it as much as me.

We are so alike in how we react and feel about this show, hah!
Femme Fetale: [vm]L/V - Always End Up At Your Door.slayervixen on January 25th, 2007 12:39 am (UTC)
I know I think we may be brain twins :) We are awesome!
Arabian: Reunitedarabian on January 25th, 2007 12:51 am (UTC)
Hee, yes we are.
Jbminor_or_a on January 25th, 2007 09:23 am (UTC)
"look at me, all mature! I'm not calling him Asshead!"

HEE! Very mature. It's impressive ;)
Arabian: I love Logan!arabian on January 25th, 2007 10:52 am (UTC)
Eh, fear not, I'm sure the next time I see him, it'll be Asshead again. After all, that's really he is. Truly.